Unionized Fire Fighters Love Obama!
The unionized and paid departments will do just fine under Obamacare. They have a carve-out, for sure.
Every volunteer department that closes will be replaced by a paid, unionized department.
Posted on 12/10/2013 3:44:55 AM PST by njslim
Volunteer fire departments all across the U.S. could find themselves out of money and unable to operate unless Congress or the Obama Administration exempts them from the Affordable Care Act. 'I thought the kinks were worked out of Obamacare at the first of the month, Central Florida volunteer firefighter Carl Fabrizi told Sunshine State News. 'Man, oh, man, this could potentially destroy some real good companies in Florida.' The U.S. Department of Labor takes the term 'volunteer' literally, but the IRS says volunteer firefighters are technically employees if they're on the job more than 30 hours per week, making them subject to Obamacare's employee-mandate rules.
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It’s always liberals carting out fire fighters when conservatives speal of reducing the size of government.
Just what’s the problem? pe-louse-i said you’d have to read to find out what is in it. Aren’t these volunteer firemen willing to sacrifice for the Greater Good?
“...but the IRS says volunteer firefighters are technically employees...”
Our legal system is so convoluted that every type of activity needs to be defined to the smallest detail to determine just who or what agency has dominion over said activity.
As a child I remember hearing bible stories about Jesus dealing with the Pharisees and being accused of ‘working’ on the Sabbath. The manner in which that legal system was applied was clearly wrong and foolish.
Just look at where we are today.
Then that makes ALL OFA (Organizing for America) and ALL Acorn related "Volunteers" as employees , and thus subject to healthcrap
This governements' selective interpretation of which laws it will enforce, and those which it will ignore,
clearly indicte that this nation is a nation without laws.
Arbitrary and capricious is not lawful !!
*Speak
Unionized Fire Fighters Love Obama!
The unionized and paid departments will do just fine under Obamacare. They have a carve-out, for sure.
Every volunteer department that closes will be replaced by a paid, unionized department.
So that means Obama's Organizing for America and ACORN-related groups are "Volunteers".... subject to Obama's healthcrap.
Hah---try and enforce it.
Obama selectively interprets which laws he will enforce, and which to ignore....under Obama this nation is a nation without laws.
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FR POSTED: Obama is overstepping his constitutional authority by choosing to ignore certain laws. "....looks a lot more like rewriting the law than executing it," Nicholas Quinn Rosenkranz, a Georgetown U law professor, told Fox's Greta Van Susteren.
Article 2 of the US Constitution charges the president with executing the laws of the United States, but Obama's suspension of the Obamacare employer mandate for a year violated that charge, Rosenkranz said...citing one egregious instance. "...President Obama is declining to execute laws without a claim of constitutionality – just for political convenience or policy preference," he said.
Congress does not have the standing to challenge Obama in court, Rosenkranz said, but a lawsuit might be admissible from a person who should have received employer coverage this year but didn't because of Obama's actions.
“Every volunteer department that closes will be replaced by a paid, unionized department.”
You sure about that? There are a lot of rural areas where the tax base simply won’t support it. That’s a big reason for volunteer fire departments in the first place.
Once you raise property taxes to the point people lose their homes, you have an additional problem.
Are there any volunteer FDs w more than 50 employees?
Are they really covered by O’care rules?
My area is serviced by volunteer fire and ambulance and most have more than 50 members. However, there is no way any individual volunteer in my area works the 30 hours a week that seems to make Ocare kick in.
BACKSTORY Sen Mike Enzi (R-Wyo) reported that the Boobamba WH criminals are going to "aggregate the numbers" so employers can't evade Boobamba/Care w/ fewer employees.
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PASS THE WORD AMERICA E-v-e-r-y conniving Democrat voted for O/Care---nationalizing 1/6th of the US Economy into a Democrat Cash Cow. ALL the untraceable O/Care money from enrollments, fines, penalties, taxes, fees, and asset confiscation (from Medicaid users) goes to your "reliable, trustworthy government."
"LETS MAKE A DEAL, DEMOCRATS." Vote aye now.
When the zillions start rolling in, you get a piece of the action.
Hate to say this but the best way to repeal this law is to not allow any exemptions-firefighters included. It’s the only way to make at least some of the other half wake up.
This 33 year FF is with you on that Brother Firefighter.
This week our department was looking at a $100,000 SCBA replacement program. That's just one item VFD's have to purchase. Engines in most districts have to be less than 20 years old in order to keep local fire insurance rates down at $400-$500k a crack, without equipment.
As for the one who questioned the 30 hour thing, you would be surprised how much time a Volunteer participates with calls, meetings, details and training in a week.
“Every volunteer department that closes will be replaced by a paid, unionized department....”
Cincy 45-70 said the word but I’ll just reinforce his/her points. The primary reason “volunteer” departments exist is precisely because there is no tax base to provide for a regular, full time one. They exist on grants, gifts, and, donations.
The part I don’t understand is how a non-paid volunteer is now an “employee.” How in the Hell can that be an “employee?” I’ve read stories of volunteers receiving reimbursements for personal expenses incurred while working for the department and that being considered “pay.” That is truly effed up.
It is taxpayers who will take it in the neck if volunteer fire departments are disbanded. Either that, or firehouses will be closed and response times will go up to the point where even more property will be lost and people will die.
You think Obama cares about that?
That’s not a bug. That’s a feature!
Volunteer FF are covered by insurance as well. For zerocare purposes, they're an employee.
Please call/write your Senators and Congresscritters (even if they’re GOP) about this. And encourage your fellow fight fighters to do likewise.
They need to hear complaints from any and every one who is adversely affected.
Exactly.
In rural areas, either taxes or insurance rates will skyrocket quickly. If they are able to keep a fire department the taxes will vastly increase. If they must close, response times become much greater to another fire department and insurance rates on property go way up. The cost of living in rural areas will become so high many people will no longer be able to afford it. Home prices will naturally plummet and these areas will become even more economically depressed.
As somebody remarked, this is not a bug but a feature. It serves to drive the rural population into the cities where they are more easily controlled.
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