Posted on 12/18/2013 5:47:06 AM PST by WhiskeyX
Dec. 17--The National Transportation Safety Board said Monday it plans to recover the plane that crashed off Kalaupapa last week with eight passengers aboard, including Department of Health Director Loretta Fuddy, who died after safely evacuating the aircraft. [....] In the Makani Kai case, Maui officials have not yet released an official cause of death for Fuddy,.... An autopsy was conducted Friday. [....] Services for Fuddy have been set for Saturday....
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“what’s a legitimate purpose for wanting to retrieve a useless plane?”
To get the remote fuel cut-off switch off the engine, so it can’t be catalogued by the NTSB or Pratt-Whitney as the cause of failure.
Doubt there’s a bullet in her head, but probably the one next to her just held her head underwater for a couple of mins while she was floating and bobbing. They can’t afford another Ron Brown incident and pics on the Net of his head and bullet fragments etc.
And ya just don't see many of them around anymore.
It's akin to seeing Hispano-Suiza RB211's on a McDonnell-Douglas B747-400.
The Grand Caravan is not a twin turbo-prop, and it ain't little.
The engine could have been sabotaged to create a crash close to shore that most could survive, in order to create a plausible natural reason for Fuddy to have what is actually chemically-induced heart failure.
The only way it would be known is by detecting tampering with the engine, and/or an autopsy showing poisons in the body. But heart failure can be chemically induced without leaving any traces.
This particular aircraft has only had 4 instances of engine failure in the last 34 years, and 2 of those were within 50 days of each other and possibly involved the same air company and/or pilot. Clyde Kawasaki is not listed on the Makani Kai staff webpage as their pilot. He has never been listed as their pilot. They have 2 web pages showing their staff. One was started in early December of this year, the other has been around for years and was updated in June of this year - yet neither of the pages lists Kawasaki or ever has listed Kawasaki.
I’m told that airlines sometimes borrow from each other in the muddle of daily workings. The other company that flies out of Molokai is Mokulele, which is the company that had the other Cessna engine failure 50 days before this. Mokulele was associated with Aloha Airlines after Aloha went bankrupt, which is the company Kawasaki is said to have flown for. Mokulele doesn’t publish the names of their pilots, and while the 2 pilots in the Cessna engine failure 50 days earlier were praised highly they were never publicly named. If Kawasaki was “borrowed” from Mokulele for this flight, it would make a Mokulele connection to both of the Cessna engine failures, which within 50 days DOUBLED the 34-year number of engine failures for that engine.
The Mokulele crash resulted in a fully-intact plane and was known to have been caused by engine failure. The NTSB has given a preliminary report but hasn’t determined the cause of the engine failure. Presumably they packed and sealed the engine and sent it to the manufacturer like they intend to do with this one. If so, that company will be looking at 2 cases of engine failure within 50 days close to Maui. SOMEBODY may be dealing with some liability issues by the time all is said and done.
Yes, I acknowledged that above. Little is relative and when I say little, I was actually talking about the twin turboprop that used to fly inter-island and it held over twenty people. Compared to the 717 or DC9 (same basic plane) it is little. The little plane was an awesome ride and better view, the 717s take off and land quickly, you don't get a great view compared to cruising between islands on a twin prop job.
Makani Kai Air does scheduled inter-island flights but there was not one scheduled for that time so it appears that this was a chartered flight. There were 8 passengers and one pilot aboard. The pilot, Clyde Kawasaki, is not listed on Makani Kai Air’s website as a pilot for them although the owner, Richard Schuman, says he has flown for them for about 2 years. Archive.org has taken a snapshot of their staff page 11 times in the past 2 years, IIRC, and Kawasaki has never been listed as their pilot. In early December this year they added an additional page listing pilots but Kawasaki is not listed on that page either.
Fuddy got out of the plane and was doing fine, floating in her life jacket like everybody else, when a 70-some-year-old survivor started to swim for shore. He was surprised to find that she died. Her deputy director was holding her hand to try to calm her, after helping her get her life jacket on. He says she let go and didn’t respond after that.
>>The engine could have been sabotaged to create a crash close to shore that most could survive, in order to create a plausible natural reason for Fuddy to have what is actually chemically-induced heart failure.Alternatively, perhaps the saboteur's hope may have been that all on the plane would have died, and if so, perhaps a chemical was covertly dosed to Fuddy as a secondary precaution in case the pilot was fortunate enough to manage a non-fatal "crash landing"?
If you like your plane,you can keep your plane.
If you like your Department of Health Director,you can keep
your Department of Health Director.
Clearly your a man that likes to argue for arguments sake while ignoring who you are arguing with.
I don’t see any point in repeating myself so have a nice day.
Your last point of “just because the government MAY tell lies” confirms that you did indeed just land today on our lovely planet”.
Again “have a nice day”.
Investigation of Cessna 208 engine failure and forced landing on Lake Burbury
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A previous generator failure led to electrical discharge damage (EDD) to the engine, resulting in its failure in-flight. EDD is a known problem with the Pratt and Whitney Canada PT-6 series turbo-prop engines fitted to this aircraft type. The ATSB has investigated similar events in Australia previously and the ATSB report cites 43 similar events reported worldwide since 1992. Some of these events have also been investigated by the US National Transportation Safety Board.
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http://www.atsb.gov.au/newsroom/2007/release/2007_037.aspx
“Clearly your a man that likes to argue for arguments sake while ignoring who you are arguing with.”
Nah, I just like to ridicule conspiracy nuts, because it pointless to argue with them. They don’t base their opinions on logic, so argument is useless.
“Your last point of “just because the government MAY tell lies” confirms that you did indeed just land today on our lovely planet”.”
The only alternative is to believe that every thing the government says is a lie. Since that seems to be your position, it just proves my observation that you lack discernment.
“The engine could have been sabotaged to create a crash close to shore that most could survive, in order to create a plausible natural reason for Fuddy to have what is actually chemically-induced heart failure.”
No, I’m sorry, but that is not really plausible. You’re not talking about an automobile, where you might remove some lugnut and have the wheel fall off after a few miles but the driver will be able to pull over safely. Once it is in the air, if you have sabotaged the plane, you have no idea what the crash will be like, or how many will survive. As someone already pointed out upthread, the pilot made a very skilled (or lucky) landing in this case, which is the only reason anyone survived.
“This particular aircraft has only had 4 instances of engine failure in the last 34 years, and 2 of those were within 50 days of each other and possibly involved the same air company and/or pilot.”
Here a fun fact: when parts start failing, for an airplane, or a car, or a computer, or a refrigerator, they often start failing only after a period of time that was mostly “failure free”, and then you may see a “wave” of failures happen. This is because a defective part might be perfectly fine until years and years of stress have weakened it, and then after some tipping point, it’s kaput.
CF, would you like to address this one?
I’ve heard it from a knowledgeable pilot that certain kinds of sabotage can particularly cause an engine failure (or disruption of the compressor that would masquerade as engine failure) that occurs early in the flight when there would be less - or no - casualties.
Once the engine is gone, the plane is basically a glider, which pilots are required to know how to handle. Kawasaki’s son said he flies gliders so he ESPECIALLY knows how to handle that situation.
Would you agree with what my source has told me, CF?
I’m going to keep that in the back of my mind. Seems a little too far away, but like you say, who knows?
That autopsy was ordered.
I’ve read materials regarding the protocols for FAA and NTSB investigations, and if there’s been a fatality associated with an accident or incident, an autopsy is required. To me, that would suggest that the autopsy is a public record. Because it’s not really about the intimate details of the person; it’s about whether or not a crime was committed or a safety issue that would impact others has come to light. There is a public interest in accountability and justice, not just morbid curiosity about the body of somebody who is now dead.
“The engine is a Curtiss Wright PT-6 turboprop....”
I should make a correction to that statement. The Australians investigated Cessna Caravan/Grand Caravan mishaps involving the Pratt & Whitney PT-6 engines. However, there are other engines being used in these Cessna aircraft, so it may or may not be equipped with the PT-6 in this instance. The reference to the Australian investigations was being used in an earlier post to refute some erroneous claims about the reliability of these aircraft and their engines.
That makes a great deal of sense that at the very least the results should be subject to an FOIA request. On the other hand, it sounds like the TWA flight 800 families had to plead for several years before some information related to that NTSB investigation ever saw the light of day.
And no, I’m not a Flight 800 theorist and don’t mean to open a can of worms by mentioning it. The Obama Identity Fraud case is the only conspiracy contention that really intrigues me (eh, besides a passing whim of interest in whether or not William Shakespeare was ... well, William Shakespeare, but I digress).
ok, you win, now go pester somebody else....
“I’ve heard it from a knowledgeable pilot that certain kinds of sabotage can particularly cause an engine failure (or disruption of the compressor that would masquerade as engine failure) that occurs early in the flight when there would be less - or no - casualties.”
Well, if the engine goes out when you can land back on the runway or open ground, then it’s a pretty routine thing with not a lot of risk. That’s not the scenario here, where we have a fixed gear plane trying to ditch in the water. That’s a recipe for disaster, because the plane can easily flip over while trying to land.
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