Posted on 12/22/2013 10:04:24 PM PST by WilliamIII
I spoke with a man who helped clean out the Pentagon. I asked him if he saw any seats anywhere in the wreckage. His answer, “Not a one”.
Keep believing that it wasn’t a false flag operation and I’m certain you’ll live a happy life.
Thank you, I will have that happy life.
I’m not arguing for the official version of events, or even that the entire event wasn’t orchestrated. I’m just pointing to the evidence.
A controlled demolition is not necessary to support the argument that it was a “false flag” event, and since all the physical evidence, and the very scope of the required conspiracy, deny that possibility; why muddy the waters with it?
How many people (not high level string-pullers, but grunt labor...) would have to be involved to pull that off? Yet not one single person has ever come forward claiming to have been involved in, or even aware of, any such activity. No death-bed confessions, nothing. The logistics of such an act are simply absurd.
I don’t believe anything without evidence, and there is not one shred of physical evidence that any of those buildings was demo’ed (or needed to be).
Holy cow. Unbelievable hypocrisy.
what secrets did snowden sell or is that some nonsense you picked up from msnbc who are angry at snowden for hurting obama image
facts are facts, taxes in Russia are far lower then in usa, and russia is far more conservative then usa right now on social issues like gay rights.
To all who have commented on my comment about Snowden as a traitor. He still is. He could have gone to Switzerland to release his information but he went to Red Chinese-controlled Hong Kong. (I’ve been there. A boat’s row to the Peoples Paradise).
He was tagged as soon as he opened his mouth. Then he went to Russia. Oh, that’s a great land of liberty. Yeah, Putin is just another Libertarian which a slight Chechen/Caucauses problem. Polonium Tea, anyone?
Now, let’s get back to the main subject, the NSA and its programs. For decades the NSA has been the best electronics surveillance organization/system in the world. Banford (or Bamford) revealed some of its working in his book “The Puzzle Palace”.
However, in the past few years, the NSA has been compromised by self-deluded turncoats (like Snowden), loudmouths in Congress and among both active and retired military/civilians who worked there, and by a totally irresponsible news media.
When I was a journalist in So. Vietnam and Cambodia, I was given classified briefings (I had high friends in high places). We (my friend and I) knew enough to keep our fucking mouths shut because if we wrote or talked about future ops, our men would die because of it. We had ethics and a loyalty to our country and soldiers. JOURNALISTS DO NOT HAVE THAT TODAY.
I’ve been involved in internal security, et al as both an uncover operative to 40 year long researcher/journalist, so I know a little about that subject.
Regarding the NSA, it is a basic question that one commenter also mentioned about the lead-up to 9/11, namely who knew what and when, and then failed to act. Lots of FBI bureaucrats should be in jail for their failures to accept and process 9/11 intell from FBI field agents.
Lots of middle level Army people should be in jail for their totally incompetent and cowardly actions in NOT providing Air and Artillery support for the Manat and other operations in which we lost a lot of soldiers in Afghanistan.
This brings me back to the main issue - do we know who the enemy(ies) is/are, how they operate, where they operate, who they use to collect HUMINT (human intelligence - i.e. first hand involvement), and who are their leakers in the media.
Yes, there are moles in the media who have in the past worked for the enemies of America. Going back 40 years or so, I’ve exposed KGB operatives in CBS, ABC, the NY Times, and possibly the Wash. Post (aided by others who spotted red operatives in the print media). Some old Communist Party USA members (admitted or otherwise), wrote for the NTY, NY Daily News, ect, while others fed information to Drew Pearson/Jack Anderson’s “Washington Merry-Go-Round” syndicated column.
We knew who these people were and exposed them whenever possible, often with very good results (Lionel Martin, Charles R. Allen, Calvin Yon and Abdullah Schlieffer were bounced from their newspapers and TV employment). The NYT times ran Soviet KGB operative Wilfred Burchett’s propaganda columns a number of time without properly telling who he really was.
Mark Hosenball, who writes/wrote for either Newsweek or Time (along with Mike Isikoff), was a pal of Cuban DGI operative and avowed Marxist Philip Agee. He was thrown out of England along with Agee as “security risks”.
There are people at the Wash. Post who I wouldn’t trust with a toy doll. Something very leftist and fishy about them and their writings.
Too many journalists today are more interested in “exposing” government defense secrets than in defending the country, even if that means killing a story. NO ETHICS.
I list these examples in order to show that in the Old Days, we knew who the enemy was and took action to nullify them. Today it is different. The rise of Islamic extremism had created a whole new threat that Obama and Holder refuse to acknowledge.
This official blind attitude permeates a number of government security agencies. Would you trust Janet Napolitano to protect your dog-house? Of course not. She was totally incompetent and ignorant, but her policies and people are still in positions of control at DHS.
Several FBI leaders in the recent past have made statements that would make J. Edgar Hoover come back from the grave and choke the shit out of their Politically Correct brains.
Our military is being systemically purged of combat leaders and thinkers, replaced by GirlyMen who are more interested in putting women on submarines than in assessing the new threats to us from Russia and Red China.
We have almost no good human intelligence from within the Islamic movements, otherwise Mumbai, Mombasa, and other massacres would have been prevented or prepared for.
The same for the raids on our bases in Afghanistan. Lousy or non-existent intelligence, poor defensive measures, and poor leadership at the top are responsible for many of our debacles in Afghanistan. Our foot soldiers and air support are magnificent but many of the PC desk-riding leaders are for crap.
The NSA has done some great work listening in on our enemies, but the data-mining programs of both the Bush and Obgama administrations are not the panacea for all our intell problems as they thought they would be.
YOU NEED TO KNOW WHO TO LOOK AT IN ORDER TO GET ANY WORKABLE INTELLIGENCE.
Our emails are worthless in the real world other than to inform FR readers about our experiences, knowledge, and training in the real world. If the NSA gets anything from FR emails, that would put them one up on the dummies of Clapper, Donilon and Brennan who run our intelligence planning. We know more about the real world than they do, if you look at the massive failures suffered on their watch (They might be good people but “good” isn’t good enough in a fight for survival. It has to be “the best”, the “most realistic”, the most “offense oriented”.
Remember, in a war, whoever comes in second is the LOSER.
What we do need is a thorough cleaning of the NSA including an updated intelligence program that actually focuses on who our enemies are, with specific targets and tactics.
However, since Congress is full of security risks (See: Trevor Loudon, “The Enemies Within: Marxists, Socialists and Progressives in Congress”, 2013, www.pacificfreedomfoundation.org) to see just who these people are. Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich) was once the head of the powerful House Judiciary Committee. He was also a hardcore Communist Party USA supporter if not covert member (since the 1960’s, or earlier), and tried his best, along with Rep. Don Edwards, to destroy our internal security programs. (I was there when this happened).
Sen. Kennedy compromised our security by his secret dealings with Moscow (See Paul Kengor’s books). He was on the powerful Sen. Judiciary Committee which included the Sen. Internal Security Subcommittee. The SISS did a tremendous amount of exposing of Soviet operations around the world, which is why it had to be destroyed, and was.
All our intelligence agencies and programs have to be revisited, revised, updated, and properly oriented if they are going to protect us. So far many of them have failed at this, including the NSA (to the degree that we know from released information - Snowden had it, but whether he had the right to release it is the question. I say he didn’t and committed an act of treason by doing so. He could have gone to Congress instead).
I do agree that a public airing of the issue of “Able Danger” is needed as well as who was responsible for the FBI field reports on the flight school participants being ignored. No more coverups of incompetents, be they in the NSA, FBI, DOD, IRS, or Dept. of Homeland Security.
Heads have to roll before we suffer from another 9/11, but it has to be done properly in order to get real results and real improvements.
Unfortunately most Republicans are milktoasts while most Democrats are fools and traitors. As for the White House, DOJ, etc. The jails ain’t half filled, YET!
Meanwhile, don’t make Snowden a “hero” or you’ll have to go back and give Benedict Arnold the “Medal of Freedom”. Look it up in a history book if you don’t understand what I’m referring to.
I’ve been in the fight for internal security since I started my undercover work in 1968, and I’m not satisfied at all that we actually understand what is involved. We are running out of time so we have got to clean house, fire incompetents, and bring in people who understand not only the threat, but who is doing the threatening, and how to fight and destroy them. There is no substitute for VICTORY!
You may find it amazing that there have been no death bed confessions. I don’t. Why not? There are many soldiers / mercenaries / CIA operators and official CIA agents who die without ever telling anyone who their actual employer was, or where in this world they actually lived while maintaining an address in some small Podunk farm town out in the middle of nowhere. Why do they do this? Simple - they believed in what they were doing.
Yes, there are people who can work at a black job without ever questioning what the political reasoning for their labor is.
So, it’s easier for you to believe that this *huge* impenetrable group of hardcore fanatics (all the way down to the guy who delivered the supplies), pulled off a giant (secret, fraudulent, murderous) demolition operation, and that every single member of that group possesses the level of self discipline you describe; than it is to believe that the airplanes you saw with your own two eyes did it?
I think we’re on the same team; but when the party starts, I’m keeping a close eye on you...
wtf
the hell you say
thank you for your exposure of this despicable traitor
What’s the difference between Snowden giving NSA secrets to the Chinese and President Clinton giving them NASA secrets? Who is going to stand the better chance of receiving punishment?
When Senators play the game properly they retire as multimillionaires, Dianne Feinstein, Pulosi, and many, many more. Is that OK? They are on all the Intel committees and know first hand everything else that we consider national secrets, yet they don’t have the integrity of a street hooker. Progressives are Communists, yet they inhabit our Congress, Senate and the White House.
The corruption we see everyday is sickening. Flight 800 was a scam along with Oklahoma City bombing and 911. Nothing that comes out of a politicians mouth is the truth anymore.
I refuse to even attempt to convince young people to join our military these days. Instead I try to help finance them to trade schools.
We’re in deep doo doo, my friend.
I suppose you think Flight 800 came down due to a sparking fuel pump in the center tank?
Funny thing is that it wasn’t all that secret. Anyone paying attention knew what was going on. Snowden just confirmed it.
So, the top secret agencies are so screwed up that they left ports on firewalls open so some low level contractor with no real formal IT education could walk in and copy the entire database? Please. Should we believe in incompetence to that Snowden is a computer Jason Bourne?
Nope. I’m an engineer.
Fortunately the scale, and the details, of that particular tragedy do not lend themselves to support of the official story.
No more than half a dozen people in the right places & with the right motivation... And you can take down any number of aircraft.
That’s not the same as destroying several very large buildings in a very public manner.
Far from arguing against the existence of conspiracies, I’m just saying that embracing the imaginings of the lunatic left doesn’t add anything to the total evidence, and provides the Alinskiites an opening to attack. (in addition to weakening the case overall)
Mind if I inquire what type of engineer you might be?
I don’t mind at all.
Electrical (electronics).
Currently working in manufacturing.
You have missed the point. Our founding fathers understood the damage which could be done through general warrants. It was this liberal and far reaching abuse which helped spark the Revelutionary war.
Hey, CIA-person, you should start at the TOP when looking for treason. Snowden is more of a patriot than a traitor.
Aldritch Ames, no. Jonathan Pollard, no. But Snowden had the temerity to give and comfort to Americans who don’t like being monitored—the Enemy. Unforgivable!
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