Posted on 12/22/2013 10:04:24 PM PST by WilliamIII
I don’t care what they do overseas. I don’t think many people do, what they did wrong was start spying on average Americans. That is wrong and violates all kinds of civil rights. That is why people hate them. They should not be spying on Americans.
No.
I have a problem with scum such as yourself who would support someone who gives our nAtional secrets to other countries. That is the very definition of a traitor. Do you have A pic of Benedict Arnold and the rosenbaums by your desk.
NSA was given a green light to go ahead and develop the best electronics surveillance systems in the world. Done by the military and private sector.
Obamacare was done by political hacks/kickback companies in the Obama orbit. Just like Solyndra etc. Compentency was not a criteria; political loyalty and donations were.
I agree wholeheartedly.
I appreciate Woolsey’s honesty though, many of his fellow statists share his opinions but would never say it.
“No, Snowden revealed operational techniques and classified/confidential sources, meetings, etc.”
Have you personally seen anything that supposedly was released?
In several detailed news reports, esp. in the NYT and Wash. Post, Snowden gave specific targets of electronic surveillance/eavesdropping, by country, office and person, as well as listing things that were specifically overheard or emailed. Die Speigel also had a long article on some of the things he said about operations in Germany.
Any good intell analyst can extrapolate classified information from even generalized information because the subject area itself is often classified (i.e. known only to a select group). The fact that a foreign power even knows about certain operations or places is invaluable to be aware so that countermeasure and backtracking can be done.
I once helped a former Soviet Army major and later legal officer who worked with the KGB in military contracting, to write his congressional testimony in a more proper English (also had his friend/translator who did the initial translations from Russian to English).
He reviewed hidden Soviet military-industrial complexed hidden within the Light Industry, such as Machine Guns being made in Samovar Plant #555 in Tula. This helped to confirm suspicions that the Soviets had hidden a significant portion of their military budget in the Civilian Budget, and thus raised their defense spending upwards from what was publicly announced.
This was confirmed by the B Team report of 1976 (Gen. Daniel Graham (a classmate of mine) and John Collins of the Library of Congress), that the REAL Soviet military budget was not 3-5-7% of the overall budget, but actually in the range of 10-15-18%.
This had a tremendous effect on US-Soviet arms reduction talks under Carter and Reagan.
You do the math.
Snowden is a traitor. He didn’t give away cooking recipes. He gave away electronic surveillance secrets - targets, techniques, equipment used, etc.
So you have not seen the documents it is claimed Snowden released. Everyone wants to talk as though they have but so far there has been no proof of anything. What has been discussed has been known to anyone in the intel community. The fact one country spies on another country is not new. The fact that there are ground and space based sensor systems is not new. The fact that no person at any level within any government is safe from being spied on is not new. The fact that the NSA and other agencies spy on US citizens on US soil is not new and hasn’t been for several decades. The fact that such spying violates all kinds of laws is not new.
Der Speigel published a lot of information from Snowden’s document cache. I don’t have to see the original to read what they have (Do have to take them on trust that what they are reporting is the actual NSA materials Snowden claims he released).
Check the two major De Speigel articles of the past two days and see what’s in them. Very interesting information.
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