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Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. Why don’t all newspapers do the same?
The Grist ^ | December 16th, 2013 | Nathan Allen

Posted on 12/23/2013 3:05:35 PM PST by Third Person

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To: pieceofthepuzzle
*We cannot let these flat Earth deniers have voice.*

“Science has always has scientists that agree 100% on every issue. That's a historical fact!
Science cannot move forward if we allow new or different views.”

This is what I heard the author saying amid the farting sounds.

21 posted on 12/23/2013 3:29:04 PM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: Third Person
I wonder how much of this article was plagiarized from Goebbels?
22 posted on 12/23/2013 3:30:10 PM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: Third Person

Yes, the man with a phd in chemistry is now an expert on climate. How many other climate “experts” are not trained in climatology? I’m sure Dr. Allen can explain how since there were many past periods in the millions of years of the earth’s history much warmer than now, why we are all still around.


23 posted on 12/23/2013 3:30:12 PM PST by driftless2
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

*We cannot let these flat Earth deniers have voice.*

Who dares to defy the secular inquisition!?


24 posted on 12/23/2013 3:31:32 PM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: Third Person

I’ve long held that “scientists” like this one are grasping at straws out of fear that if “global warming” is shown to be a demonstrable fraud, the moneymen and moneywomen who backed the “researchers” for years in good faith are going to want their money back, or at least a very detailed account of where it went. I think that’s why they’re becoming almost hilariously strident with their, “DON’T LISTEN TO DENIERS, LISTEN TO US! YOU TRUST US!”


25 posted on 12/23/2013 3:33:33 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: ZULU

A lot of people with letters in front of their names bought the Piltdown Man scam hook, line and sinker. A lot of people with letters in front of their names told us in the 1970’s that we were headed for another Ice Age. A lot of people with letters in front of their names ostracized a lone Doctor who said Ulcers were caused my a bacterium (turns out he was right). And on and on and on.


26 posted on 12/23/2013 3:33:59 PM PST by JaguarXKE (1973: Reporters investigate All the President's Men. 2013: Reporters ARE all the President's men)
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To: Third Person

Boy it’s getting cold out there. Time to shut up those deniers.


27 posted on 12/23/2013 4:03:40 PM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: DaxtonBrown

A socialist democratic grant recipient if I ever saw one. But he’s an academic. He said so himself.


28 posted on 12/23/2013 4:20:24 PM PST by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: ZULU

I had a professor in college who was a PhD and a really great teacher. He said the only time you have to call him “doctor” was if you were writing his paycheck. How refreshing he was in the arrogance plagued academy.


29 posted on 12/23/2013 4:21:05 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Third Person

Anyone who has to describe his education level in his first eight words of introduction isn’t worth listening to any further than eight words.


30 posted on 12/23/2013 4:23:07 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Wonder if Nate and Pajama Boy are one and the same person. Even if they’re not I suspect that Nate wears a onsie.


31 posted on 12/23/2013 4:28:42 PM PST by Charlemagne on the Fox
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To: Third Person

Science has now become the Catholic Church of the 1600’s.


32 posted on 12/23/2013 4:33:03 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Third Person
The evidence simply does not exist to justify continued denial that climate change is caused by humans and will be bad.

And I wonder how Dr. Allen has determined on a global scale and over a 100 year period what defines "bad". In order for whatever happens in the future to be characterized now, in 2013 as "bad", it must be possible to have a definite, scientifically valid test which can be applied to the future to determine what constitutes "bad".

Needless to say any such measurement of "good" vs. "bad" would have to include all the relevant factors, like the economic effects of the changes in climate, how that affected social factors in societies around the world, etc. One of the many variables that should be a part of the determination of the "good" vs. "bad" future would be the average income of the citizens of the world, or to simplify the analysis, some proxy like the distribution of income in the twenty largest nations, and the wealth of their citizens.

So Dr. Allen must have some proven, highly reliable model for predicting the economic situation of the world's citizens over the next 100 years, both with and without climate change. I wonder if that model correctly predicted the last couple of recessions. If it didn't, or he doesn't have such a model, then he has no more certainty in his contention than anyone else guessing about what will happen in the future. To put it simply, he really has no idea at all whether or not climate change, and the world's response to it, whatever that turns out to be, will be "good" or "bad" for the world.

33 posted on 12/23/2013 4:45:52 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Third Person

Mr. Allen has defined Science out of the forum. If an approach and evidence is banned from investigation or even consideration then there is no science.


34 posted on 12/23/2013 5:49:53 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Well, if we are forced to fight the fascism again, let’s make sure not to leave any alive to infect future generations. The Marshall Plan may have been a noble gesture, but I say give no quarter this time.


35 posted on 12/23/2013 5:54:41 PM PST by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Third Person

LA Times has rejected letters to the editor that are GW skeptics.


36 posted on 12/23/2013 9:39:05 PM PST by QT3.14
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
flat Earth deniers
If you research “flat earth” theory, you find that nobody actually believed in a flat earth, in antiquity. Mathematically, a “flat” earth would be one with an infinite radius of curvature.

When Columbus proposed to sail West to the Orient, he had trouble getting backing not because people thought the radius of curvature of the earth was infinite, but because they had a far more accurate estimate for the actual radius of the earth than Columbus claimed. Think about it - if you knew the actual great-circle distance between Spain and China, and assumed you would encounter no land in between, would you want to volunteer for that long a voyage across open water??? It actually was a pretty stupid idea.


37 posted on 12/24/2013 12:48:08 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

It was a more terrifying idea than “sailing off the end of the earth”. The second, you could try to turn around, if it looked like edge was approaching.

Sailing thousands of miles across open ocean would be terrifying. Where would the point of no return be reached and do you have enough resource to make it all the way around?


38 posted on 12/24/2013 9:53:41 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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