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To: kabar
Obama wasn't given much of a chance even closer to the election. The point is that the pundits don't always get things right. A consensus doesn't always reach the right conclusion, e.g., man-made global warming. And unforeseen developments can change things in a hurry, witness the impact of the disastrous Obamacare roll-out on the generic ballot. A GOP supported amnesty will have a major electoral impact. And it could be the final straw that leads to a third party for conservatives. Boehner is playing with fire.

With only 3% of the public viewing the immigration as important, one wonders why Boehner would bring up such an incendiary issue prior to the midterms. The public is not demanding an immediate solution--only the GOP's corporate paymasters are and therein lies the problem. ...

I favor the Rule of Law and adherence to the Constitution and I am prepared to ruin those who are subverting it regardless if they have a "D" or "R" after their name.

It appears that your wet dream is that the American people will (a) abandon the Republican Party en masse; and (b) establish a new (more conservative) party to replace it; and that you are quite willing--even eager--to participate in the destruction of the GOP, in the (quite fatuous) hope of seeing it replaced with something more to your liking.

As for myself, I am in favor of the so-called "Buckley Rule," as established by the late William F. Buckley Jr.: One would do well to vote for the rightmost candidate who has a serious chance of winning.

I would prefer not to waste my time (or my vote) tilting at windmills...

24 posted on 01/17/2014 11:03:18 AM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
It appears that your wet dream is that the American people will (a) abandon the Republican Party en masse; and (b) establish a new (more conservative) party to replace it; and that you are quite willing--even eager--to participate in the destruction of the GOP, in the (quite fatuous) hope of seeing it replaced with something more to your liking.

Wet dream? Leaving aside your offensive, crude characterization, yes, when a party that I have been a member of for over 50 years abandons its principles and no longer stands for what I do, then I want out. The GOP left me, not the other way around. What is going on now is a battle for the heart and soul of the GOP. If we (conservatives) cannot gain control over the party, then we will leave it. The so-called RINOs are waging war against conservatives and have been for a long time. It is time for us to stop holding our noses and voting for the lesser of two evils.

Political parties are not forever. The current GOP leadership is moving away from the traditional conservative base. I am not trying to destroy the GOP, just gain control of it. Failing that, then it is time for another party just like the GOP replaced the Whigs.

As for myself, I am in favor of the so-called "Buckley Rule," as established by the late William F. Buckley Jr.: One would do well to vote for the rightmost candidate who has a serious chance of winning. ?

If "winning" means electing people like Susan Collins, Arlen Spector, John McCain, et. al., then these are indeed Pyrrhic victories.

Ronald Reagan, in his famous 1975 speech at CPAC, said,

"Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness. I don 't know about you, but I am impatient with those Republicans who after the last election rushed into print saying, "We must broaden the base of our party"-- when what they meant was to fuzz up and blur even more the differences between ourselves and our opponents.

It was a feeling that there was not a sufficient difference now between the parties that kept a majority of the voters away from the polls. When have we ever advocated a closed-door policy? Who has ever been barred from participating?

Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?"

I would prefer not to waste my time (or my vote) tilting at windmills...

Are you happy with Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker? Can we do better in TN?

The Democrats are well are their way to becoming the permanent majority party. Unless the GOP changes course and starts addressing the concerns of the voters in a meaningful way, then we really will have no real choice, but rather an echo.

Unknown voice: "We need to change congress"

Milton Friedman: No, we don't need to change congress, excuse me. You know, people have a great misunderstanding about this.

People in congress are in the business, they're trying to buy votes. They're in the business of competing with one another to get elected. The same congressman will vote for a different thing if he thinks that's politically profitable. You don't have to change congress. People have a great misconception in this way they think the way you solve things is by electing the right people.

It's nice to elect the right people but that isn't the way you solve things.

The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.

25 posted on 01/17/2014 1:41:22 PM PST by kabar
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