Posted on 01/09/2014 2:37:09 AM PST by markomalley
“I would just bake the cake and sell it to them. Taking their money is like supporting gay marriage. It’s called business.”
Tell the customers that you would rather not make the cake but if they insist, let them know the fee will be donated to an anti-gay marriage org.
That disappeared in this country and long, long time ago.
The Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court thinks that the Constitution forces any citizen to do what the government tells him to do. This is very much an uphill fight.
And to those who suggest late cake deliveries, improperly prepared food and so on, handling your Better Business Bureau complaint wouldn't be much fun after the fact.
The posters who have suggested countersuits based on the 1st and 13th Amendments have earned my loud applause.
They most likely shopped around at other bakeries and if the baker said they'd do it, then they'd make up an excuse not to buy the cake there. They shopped around for a lawsuit until they hit the jackpot with this guy.
Ultimately the best defense on this case is to argue for artistic license. Although this ruling is an egregious violation of every conceivable first amendment liberty, in order to win, and to stick it in the eye of the Queer Community, he simply needs to argue that because these cakes require his individual creative talents as an artist, that the government cannot force him to exercise these talents in a way that violates his conscience.
It would be the same as requiring a Jew to sing at a Nazi wedding or a Muslim to sing at a Christian baptism. To force him to use his artistic talents to create a cake for a ceremony that violates his moral principles is the end of all Liberty and Queer people, who have a strong influence in artistic communities should be the first to recognize the ultimate threat to their own interests, however, they are blinded by their zeal for political power and their zeal to force all people to embrace their abominable sexual deviancy.
I am so disgusted with the Queer Agenda promoters that I refuse to call the the "g" word anymore. They are not gay. They are angry and filled with a demonic hatred of that which is Holy.
They are sinners who want the world to repent for suggesting that their sin is anything other than Holy. They are blasphemers of the worst kind.
Man, would you eat food that was provided under duress?
"Here's your cake. Keep in mind that I didn't particularly care for you to begin with, then you forced me to incur substantial legal bills, then tried to drive my family out of the business we've held for years, for no other reason than 'you could'. As a result of your actions, my family and I have suffered needless verbal abuse and physical threats from you, and hundreds of people just like you.
So......Bon Appetit!"
I'd not want to be within a mile of a cake like that. It might be ticking.
I agree.
However, since arguing it violated his religious beliefs to participate, what do you think of the argument that the government is requiring him to participate in another's religious beliefs?
I think I would too. Been going to my stylist ten years. We don’t talk about certain things just like I don’t talk to my best friend about certain things
I’d bake the cake and sell it to them. And I’d ask them to not tell me the details
And I would NOT pay for my employees birth control And that might be discriminating, but my right to practice my religion by not directly contributing to a practice that my religion states is the root of a lot of evil and is evil itself, outweighs that if it is
I wouldn’t even consider eating something made by somebody I had to sue to get them to make it.
The problem with that is that the left long ago won the “neutrality” issue.
They are NOT neutral, religiously, but legally have that standing.
So, being forced to conform to leftist morality is not, legally, forcing you to participate in their religion, which it is.
"Here's your cake. Keep in mind that I didn't particularly care for you to begin with, then you forced me to incur substantial legal bills, then tried to drive my family out of the business we've held for years, for no other reason than 'you could'. As a result of your actions, my family and I have suffered needless verbal abuse and physical threats from you, and hundreds of people just like you.
I am skeptical that they even wanted a wedding cake from that particular bakery in the first place. I am of the mind that they were looking for a payday and some sort of political victory and went shopping for a Christian business, so they could scream and howl and file a lawsuit.
I also think this is just the tip of the iceberg. Now that they have this ruling, these rabid groups are going to get on Google and see what other Christian businesses they can ruin. All in the name of tolerance, of course. >:^[
Lord, forgive me for what I am thinking right now.
Speak the truth, but speak the truth in love...
They were seeking to accomplish the whole point of the homo agenda -
punish Christians.
I was speaking in love - love of Jesus.
Which should also be legal - not that I personally condone refusing service based on race, but the state compelling someone to do business with anyone he would prefer not to, for whatever reason, is inherently anti-freedom.
Rather than even argue that it violates some religious value, the argument should be that it violates his individual moral convictions and forcing him to use his individual unique artistic talents to create a cake for a Queer wedding would be tantamount to forcing a Jewish Delicatessen to cater a Nazi celebration, or forcing a Muslim photographer to photograph a Jewish Bar Mitzvah at a Nudist Colony.
An artist should be entitled to choose his own canvas. The government has no authority to force an artist to paint a picture of something he considers ugly.
That is the winning argument here. That is the argument that sticks it to the Queer lobby right where it hurts.
The second would be to agree to bake the cake, but point out that as a Christian I pray mightily over all of my work, and sincerely ask God to make sure that every person who takes a bite of this cake will have an encounter with the living God, and come to faith in Jesus.
They might be able to make me bake, but they sure can't keep me from praying over it. And since I am a sincere believer, and do believe that God answers prayers, I wonder if they would be willing to take the chance that God doesn't answer prayer.
You DID NOT just post that...
I like that idea.
Agreed.
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