Posted on 01/10/2014 1:52:43 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty
A month after a small plane crash in Hawaii, a surviving passenger shows GoPro footage and even a selfie taken during the ordeal.
Would you have done the same? Ferdinand Puentes was one of nine passengers in a 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan which suddenly suffered engine failure off Kalaupapa, Molokai in Hawaii last month. As he heard the engine fail and saw the plane heading for the water, one of his first instincts was to turn on his GoPro camera and film what might have been his own demise. As KHON-TV reports, Puentes knew the danger he was in, yet the decision to film as much as possible might perplex a few. He managed to get out of the plane alive and survived the crash. However, while he was floating on a seat cushion and wearing his life raft, he took a selfie.
Was the impulse to record just a natural reaction? After all, any bystander or news organization would have likely done the same thing. And these days everyone is using their phones to film just about everything they see. But wouldn't one's first instinct be to try to contact family and friends to say goodbye? Perhaps that did happen. The footage reflects a quite stunning lack of panic. The passengers behave in an orderly manner. There is no screaming or pushing. No one seems frantic at all. Loretta Fuddy, Hawaii's 65-year-old state director of health, died in the crash, despite managing to leave the plane. In watching Puentes talk to KHON-TV, though, it's evident that the footage brings back painful memories. Would everyone want to have such ready access to a reminder? Or would some prefer to forget? "You could have died," Puentes told KHON-TV. "There's so much variations that could have happened for the worse."
I agree
My computer is giving me difficulties. I’ve got 100 pages of information, looking at a lot of sources and sorting a lot of data, and now I’m getting security warnings on Word, Word crashed and when I retrieved the document with the information Word said they “repaired” it (how’d it get “broken” in the first place?), the computer is really slow, etc. This always happens when I’m preparing to post a big project and gathering my documentation.
But I’ll give you the basic gist of why I suspect foul play, which I will flesh out as I am able:
REASON NUMBER ONE: Two Cessna engine failures in close proximity that the NTSB broke protocols on by failing to secure the evidence.
In 34 years of NTSB investigations they had 2 Cessna 208 engine failures - both due to operational issues such as water in the fuel and the flight conditions. Then within 50 days and 25 miles of each other there were 2 engine failures, both of which required NTSB investigations as if a crime had been committed and yet the NTSB allowed the involved air company free access to tamper with the evidence. In the Fuddy crash Makani Kai Air was left totally in charge of finding and retrieving the wreckage, and within 5 days at a depth below the effect of waves the fully-intact plane somehow managed to have its engine dismantled from the rest of the fuselage. And the Makani Kai mechanic - the prime suspect if there was sabotage - will be on the NTSB’s team taking the engine apart and deciding whether there was sabotage.
The first of those engine failures occurred exactly 3 days after Doug Vogt filed a case naming Loretta Fuddy as defendant. The second, in which Fuddy was killed, was exactly 2 weeks after Vogt filed another lawsuit implicating Bob Bauer, Robert Gibbs, Obama, etc in criminal activity related to the eligibility issue - and one day after Orly Taitz made public comments about the Johanna Ah Nee birth certificate being fabricated by someone at the HDOH, which I had noted earlier when I also showed that the Virginia Sunahara death certificate was clearly fabricated by someone at the HDOH.
The pilot for the first engine failure was loudly praised but never named - just like Schuman loudly praised Kawasaki but wouldn’t name him until after Hollstein went public with the name. Kawasaki is said to have been flying for Makani Kai Air for a year, but within the last year Makani Kai has updated their online pilots list at least 3 times and never listed Kawasaki. Kawasaki did fly for Aloha Air whose majority owners went in on a joint effort to start Mokulele Express after Aloha went bankrupt a few years ago. Mokulele Express is the company involved in the first engine failure. I can’t find out who Kawasaki was really flying for, but it is altogether possible that when Aloha Air went under he went to the fledgeling offshoot of Aloha, Mokulele Express. If that was the case he could have been the pilot for both of those engine failures, each one of them strategically timed with new pressure regarding Fuddy’s potential crimes.
REASON NUMBER TWO: There are critical discrepancies in the timelines mentioned by Mark Miller (DOH administrator in Kalaupapa) and by Josh Lang and the NTSB. If Miller is right, then the Coast Guard took 2 hours to make a 15-minute flight back to Honolulu, keeping 2 patients from medical care. If Josh Lang and the NTSB are right, then the Coast Guard took an hour to make a 15-minute flight to the crash site AND a death was reported in the media before anybody could have known there was a fatality.
REASON NUMBER THREE: Janice Okubo, communications director for the HDOH, told the media that they were notified that Fuddy was alive. The day AFTER the crash, Lt. William Juan, the spokesperson for the Maui County Police Chief, said that Fuddy’s body had been retrieved from the wreckage. The Maui County Police and Fire Depts are in charge of all of Maui County, which includes Molokai and Lanai as well as Maui. There are fire and police stations on Molokai, but they are under the headship of the chiefs in Maui. Maui County does not have a coroner; the police chief is to assume that role. So the spokesman for the acting coroner in Fuddy’s case - the one who is supposed to collect the information from the primary sources - said, the day after the death, that Fuddy’s body had been recovered from the wreckage. That’s in major conflict with what all of the witnesses said.
REASON NUMBER FOUR: The Coast Guard violated their protocols when they passed Fuddy by, and lied about their protocols to the media. (The only reason I can think for a person to publicly lie about protocols is if they know they won’t be canned for it - specifically, if they’ve been TOLD to break protocols). And once they got her into a helicopter their task was to do CPR on her while transporting her to a critical-care facility, unless and until a doctor told them to stop. As it is, we don’t even know whether they picked up Fuddy at all.
REASON NUMBER FIVE: The most injured person on the plane - the pilot - declined medical care so he could instead be whisked away by a Makani Kai plane, along with Yamamoto, who did NOT return to work and is not going to replace Fuddy; Abercrombie says he is worried about Yamamoto’s “health”. The Coast Guard took 2 injured passengers to the Makani Kai Honolulu airport rather than transporting them directly to the hospital in stable condition. They flew the big plane (HC-130) directly to Queens Hospital for another patient, who is NOT any of the 9 people on the plane that we knew about, because we know each of their outcomes and it wasn’t a direct flight to Queens).
REASON NUMBER SIX: All the reports - including the Coast Guard officials - claimed 9 people were on board the plane, at the same time as saying that 3 were picked up alive by the Coast Guard and 5 were picked up alive by the Maui Fire/Rescue Crew. Hollstein wasn’t retrieved from the water; he swam to shore on his own. So we’ve got 8 people picked up alive, one who swam to shore, and Fuddy, for a total of 10. There is a female passenger who appears in the image in post 45 of this thread who is not Fuddy (has the wrong color shirt and Fuddy’s distinctive hair is visible closer to the door), nor Rosa Key, nor the 74-year-old woman who is pictured in Puentes’ photo wrapped up in blankets. So there is a 4th female passenger, in addition to the 5 male passengers (Yamamoto, Jacob Key, Puentes, Hollstein, and the 70-ish-year-old guy) and the pilot, Kawasaki. Ten people on board. And that 10th person - the 4th female - has to be the person who was flown directly to Queens Hospital on a big Coast Guard plane. Who was she? Why was she Medevaced directly to Queens when the NTSB said there were no serious injuries? And why did the Coast Guard, Schuman, and everybody else let the whole world think that she didn’t exist?
REASON NUMBER SEVEN: Somebody is targeting me in the last couple days, once the suspicious nature of this crash was solid in my mind. My computer has been doing weird stuff like suddenly closing out of all my web pages for no reason. But something blatant has happened as well. A friend who has been helping me find information on this subject gave me his hushmail address in Freepmail after signing into his account on the 7th. When I went to email him less than an hour later I was told his account was deactivated. I told him I thought it was a message to me, that I was being watched - in an attempt to intimidate me. He said somebody could have just hacked his account and deactivated it, though he thought it odd also.
Two days later, on the 9th, my hushmail address was deactivated also. I contacted hushmail and they denied that it had ever been deactivated - said I must have had a typo in the address so then the password didn’t match up. But I use a drop-down box so I can’t have misspelled it, and I tested using a wrong password on my newly-restored account and it gave a totally different message. The message I received about my account being deactivated was also different than what my friend received, so these actions were not automated events. Either it was a hacker or it was somebody at hushmail, but hushmail was denying that anything had even happened. And it all started less than one hour after my friend gave me his hushmail address in Freepmail.
I also spoke to somebody at one of the Hawaii state offices who accidentally said he would have to talk to the “Office of Government Affairs” before he could have somebody reply to an email request I had made, because “they monitor that email address” (meaning my email address). It sounded like he knew immediately after saying it that he shouldn’t have said it. I don’t want him to get in trouble for it; nobody should have to worry about getting into trouble for simply telling the truth. I’ve known all along that they’ve been monitoring my email address, but somebody finally accidentally came out and told me so. I have never done business with this department, and after looking around I think he may have been talking about the HI Senate’s intergovernmental affairs committee. If so, then I’d be interested to know what makes the HI Senate think they need to watch out for me.
REASON NUMBER EIGHT (although this is more intuitive than actually proof of anything): Nobody panicked. When the first (possibly practice) engine failure occurred off of Maui on Oct 21, the description was that people were screaming and crying. This was more like a fire drill. Almost like it was expected.
Anyway, that’s the basic outline of why I believe there is more to this story than meets the eye. I’ve got documentation for every point and want to nail down some more details and follow some more leads. There are facts and observations that are interesting, raise my eyebrows even though they don’t directly prove anything, and there is a lot of information about how easy it would be to cause something that looks like engine failure, in such a way to provide cover for a death by other means. IIRC, the NTSB has found that 8% of crashes are caused by deliberate sabotage, sometimes for insurance purposes and sometimes for assassination. The easiest method of sabotage would match what happened in this case and the evidence of the sabotage could easily be removed by tampering with the engine, as Makani Kai and Mokulele Express both had access to do in the 2 recent “engine failures”. The point of doing it this particular way is to have the crash occur soon after takeoff, to preserve the lives you want to survive. Having a very politically-connected pilot hovering overhead the whole time to make sure everybody was OK, as well as sending (eventually)a Navy H-60, 2 medium boats from Station Molokai, 2 cutters, and a Seahawk...
Like I said, I will flesh this stuff out when my computer is not delaying on every move I make.
I don’t think he is Yamamoto. This guy appears to have a ponytail, and if the dark mark on his cheek is glasses, it is a wider bow, not the narrow wire bows that Yamamoto has. The photo by the ambulance, where the rescue workers are patting somebody on the back (which seems like it would be the “distraught” Yamamoto who would need the extra comforting pat on the back) shows him wearing blue swim trunks (as he was later described at the Honolulu airport) and a sweatshirt, which he was probably wearing over the top of the shirt he was seen leaving the Honolulu airport in at about 7pm. Also, I think Yamamoto is heavier-set than this guy.
That guy could be Jacob Key, which would make sense since he’s close to Rosa Key. But like you say, the shirt doesn’t seem white; it seems more brown. The person sitting across the aisle from Fuddy was wearing a brown short-sleeved shirt which would make it seem like it was Yamamoto. But I don’t think it is Yamamoto because it doesn’t fit what Yamamoto was wearing in the other photo or what he is described as wearing at the Honolulu airport.
I think it has to be the 70-year-old guy. Seems well-preserved, if so, but then when I look at the photo of the woman on the stretcher all wrapped up she doesn’t look 74 to me either.
Cockpit: I think Hollstein (swimmer) was in the cockpit across from the pilot (Kawasaki), because he said he couldn’t get the door open; they had to wait for Jacob Key to get his door open.
1A: is the gal facing the camera in post 45. She is an extra passenger that nobody told us about - not one of the 3 women we know about. She was flown by the HC-130 directly to Queens Hospital and everybody acted as if she didn’t exist.
1B: The 74-year-old woman because I think she would have been somewhat close to the 70-year-old if he was her husband.
2A: Fuddy
2B: the 70-year-old guy who was waving and smiling at rescue swimmer Mark Peer, by the process of elimination, because he’s wearing a brown shirt rather than the dark sweatshirt that Yamamoto wore or the white patterned shirt that Jacob Key wore.
3A and 3B: Rosa and Jacob Key, because they said in an interview that they were right behind Fuddy.
4A: Yamamoto, by the process of elimination
4B: Puentes, because he was videotaping it.
Only trouble with this arrangement might be the balance. The heavy weight seems to be concentrated on the left side of the plane.
Hollstein (on the right) is lighter than Kawasaki.
Little 74-year-old woman (on the right) is lighter than the mystery woman.
70-year-old man (on the right) is lighter than Fuddy.
Jacob Key (on the right) is lighter than Rosa Key. (might be close; he’s taller; she’s wider)
Yamamoto and Puentes might be close in weight, depends on their heights. They’ve got similar builds, I think.
Which direction did the plane veer? I’d look it up but my computer’s not letting me see any of my Word documents right now. (sigh) I wonder how this arrangement would work with the plane’s center of gravity...
Now that you have publicly stated your research, if anyone is messing with you, they will have less reason to go after you.
Seems that IF that's Jacob Keys sitting on the wing, then the person swimming toward the aircraft could be one of the tourists?
On taking another hard look, he does appear to have a pony tail, I thought it was the collar of his shirt...the watch seems also to match the watch Jacob is wearing.
Obliged Friend @ObligedFriend 6h
@ferd808 Can you tell us why you were wearing the US Marshal hat? Thanks. @Pudingtane #tcot pic.twitter.com/CnjUY6LCgK
Ferdinand Puentes @ferd808 9m
@ObligedFriend @Pudingtane I bought it at a thrift store thinking its a fake, there’s a tiny Hawaii sovereign flag patch on the back of it.
Be safe butter.
Have you seen this video.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/hawaii-plane-crash-caught-tape-21486107
Ignore Robin Roberts stupidity.
“In 34 years of NTSB investigations they had 2 Cessna 208 engine failures - both due to operational issues such as water in the fuel and the flight conditions.”
Is this one of them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk33A-yXa34
According to the comments:
“This wasn’t the only PT-6A engine failure this year. There were at least five others. As pilots, we were always taught that the Pratt & Whitney turbines are bullet-proof. This video is evidence that they are not.”
FAA Airworthiness Directive (October, 2013)
“We propose to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for all Pratt & Whitney Canada Corp. (P&WC) PT6A-114 and PT6A-114A turboprop engines. This proposed AD was prompted by several incidents of compressor turbine (CT) blade failure, including two fatalities, resulting in power loss and in-flight shutdown (IFSD) of the engine.”
And the lawyers are on it:
http://www.slackdavis.com/cessna-caravan-crash-molokai-hawaii/
“We have successfully litigated and resolved prior Cessna 208B Grand Caravan fatal crash cases against Cessna for loss of control due to icing, and against Pratt & Whitney for CT blade failures.”
Yes, and that’s one reason to speak out. The downside is that speaking out allows people to disappear information and/or alter their stories/claims. The past 4 years have been a balancing act between those 2 interests. I’m not sure I’ve always made the right choices, including now, but I try to do what makes sense to me at the time, and if I’m wrong I hope everybody with a stake in it can forgive me and that somehow it will turn out for good anyway.
For the people at the HDOH who know the truth the downside of speaking it is that their lives will be turned upside-down, like Edward Snowden’s was. But Edward Snowden is alive; if what we’ve been told is correct, Fuddy - who cooperated with Obama - isn’t.
What gives me pause is the color of his shirt. It seems to be the same color as the person across the aisle from Fuddy. I guess there’s no reason a husband and wife would have to sit across the aisle from each other. The reports said they were both directly behind Fuddy. I was thinking that meant they were both in the row right behind her but I suppose it could mean they were in the 2 A seats right behind her...
We don’t get a good view of Jacob Key’s face, but it seems like this guy might be older than him. This guy actually sort of reminds me of my father-in-law, with his build and the shape of his face, as well as the way his skin looks. Dad has lighter skin and gray hair though. He’s about 80 now.
Protocols don’t allow Coast Guard rescuers to decide that a person is dead just by looking at them. According to the protocols, the times they can skip doing CPR on a person is if they are obviously dead (decapitated, charred, have heart, lungs, or liver separated from the rest of the body, or have rigor mortis which sets in about 2 hours after death at normal temperatures, later if the body is cold) OR if they are more than 30 minutes away from medical help.
If the Coast Guard spokeswoman was correct that the Coast Guard swimmers pulled 3 people out of the water, then they never did rescue Fuddy - instead, two Coast Guard rescuers passed her by, and one claimed to the media that he did it because the protocols required it of him. But that’s not what the protocols say, and the Coast Guard rescue swimmers’ guide gives instructions on how to rescue an unresponsive person from the water.
Cockpit: I think Hollstein (swimmer) was in the cockpit across from the pilot (Kawasaki), because he said he couldn’t get the door open; they had to wait for Jacob Key to get his door open.
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possible, usually passengers don’t sit in cockpit but Holstein was accomplished flier and skydiver with 12,000 jumps reported by news. I don’t think he was travelling with a wife or that he would have left her.
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1A: is the gal facing the camera in post 45. She is an extra passenger that nobody told us about - not one of the 3 women we know about. She was flown by the HC-130 directly to Queens Hospital and everybody acted as if she didn’t exist.
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ok
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1B: The 74-year-old woman because I think she would have been somewhat close to the 70-year-old if he was her husband.
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disagree I think it was the other “tourist”
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2A: Fuddy
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yes
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2B: the 70-year-old guy who was waving and smiling at rescue swimmer Mark Peer, by the process of elimination, because he’s wearing a brown shirt rather than the dark sweatshirt that Yamamoto wore or the white patterned shirt that Jacob Key wore.
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I disagree I think Yamamoto was next to fuddy I haven’t been able to see the shirts in the plane.
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3A and 3B: Rosa and Jacob Key, because they said in an interview that they were right behind Fuddy.
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yes
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4A: Yamamoto, by the process of elimination
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disagree
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4B: Puentes, because he was videotaping it.
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clearly
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that makes 10 with the pilot by your figuring
the man in front of Puentes in 3b appears to have a spider web tattoo on his left arm, does that help?
I can’t see video on my computer, but if this was a skydive plane, this was not one of them. Do you have the NTSB investigation results for this one?
In the comments somebody was questioning the claim about all the metal going through the compressor and the question of which engine was used.
The FAA adopts recommendations based on crashes from other countries that our NTSB has not investigated. A lot of those involve situations that are not optimal.
If I was the lawyer I would be pushing hard to find out why the NTSB allowed this engine to be taken apart before it was lifted from the ocean. At 69-70 feet underwater it was below the impact of waves, and if they were able to find watches and jewelry down there on the rocky bottom, there can’t have been a whole lot of hard sweeping action. Certainly not enough to tear the engine right out of the fuselage within 5 days.
I’d also push hard to find out why the fuselage in the Oct 21 Cessna engine failure off Maui was not secured as if it was a crime scene.
Of course, if I was the insurance company and knew that bucking the “official story” would get me an IRS audit, it might be another story.... If I was the airline company and knew that bucking the “official story” would lose me the Essential Air Services federal subsidy that keeps my company afloat, it might be big motivation to take the engine out and make sure there’s something in there to explain the crash... The EAS award for the coming year is supposed to be decided later this month, right around the same time as the Makani Kai mechanic is supposed to go to Canada and help take apart the engine and decide whether he sabotaged it...
These are the times we’re living in, and by now everybody in the world should know it.
The rescue swimmer say she was unresponsive and without a pulse?
“A U.S. Coast Guard rescue swimmer says Fuddy had no pulse when he reached her to hoist her to safety.”
That might classify as dead.
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