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Top US leadership feels diplomat row with India 'most stupid thing to do'
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Posted on 01/11/2014 9:37:19 AM PST by MBT ARJUN

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1 posted on 01/11/2014 9:37:19 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
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To: MBT ARJUN

Barry has never worked overtime on anything, save for scoring drugs or cruising.


2 posted on 01/11/2014 9:40:48 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: MBT ARJUN
She told the official, 'You have lost a good friend.'

Ms Khobragade, like most people, probably exaggerates her importance. Nonetheless, it is unfortunate that a country would make major decisions about international relations on the basis of an event like this. But countries on the rise but not yet there always seem to be the most hypersensitive.

3 posted on 01/11/2014 9:42:56 AM PST by untenured
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To: MBT ARJUN
0bama got what he wanted - damaged relations with an important ally - and he used the idiots in the Justice Department to get it.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

4 posted on 01/11/2014 9:43:14 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: MBT ARJUN
She told the official, 'You have lost a good friend. It is unfortunate. In return, you got a maid and a drunken driver. They are in, and we are out.'

The situation is not quite so extreme, but this is somewhat reminiscent of the old: "You were given a choice between war and dishonor. You have chosen dishonor. And you will have war."

Of course, with India, we shall not have war, but we have unquestionably chosen badly. And I say we did it on purpose. Muslims do not like Hindus.

5 posted on 01/11/2014 9:46:47 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

India deserves an abject apology, no qualifications..a simple “We are sorry, we were idiots, please forgive us”

And a LARGE cash settlement needs to be paid to that poor woman.

Diplomatic immunity must never be cheapened. We look a bit like the thugs who took our diplomats hostage in Iran... I don’t like it when the US is the one attacking diplomatic status.

No matter what a person with diplomatic immunity does the only recourse is supposed to be a declaration of persona non grata and expulsion.


6 posted on 01/11/2014 9:47:29 AM PST by Bobalu (The true secret to genius is in creativity, not in technical mechanics)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Indeed, Barry is very sad. His staff cannot enjoy perversion in India anymore the way this diplomat got to apparently exploit someone... but that is becoming a familiar sight for Barry the sorcerer to do, exploit and pimp black people to acceptance of homosexuality.


7 posted on 01/11/2014 9:47:45 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: mojito
0bama got what he wanted - damaged relations with an important ally...

Just so. Now he can concentrate on relations with his true friends in the Muslim countries: Pokeestan Affghaneeston and Iran.

8 posted on 01/11/2014 9:49:16 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama, perhaps the only human on planet earth who could screw up taking a relaxing bath with a rubber duck.


9 posted on 01/11/2014 9:53:49 AM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: MBT ARJUN

just another segment of amateur hour


10 posted on 01/11/2014 9:56:27 AM PST by Wuli
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To: DoughtyOne

I wouldn’t feel sorry for India. They sided with the Russians during the Cold War. Many other puzzling episodes but they should really save their scorn for the British.


11 posted on 01/11/2014 9:57:24 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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As I see it-on 2nd thought-it appears that the arresting officer(s) may have wanted to just ‘sneak in a little feel’. She looks pretty hot.


12 posted on 01/11/2014 10:00:17 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Bobalu
She had no recognized immunity from the State Department while she was playing her little castle system.

Secondly, Diplomatic immunity does not allow you to do whatever you like- thats a common misconception. A diplomats accreditation is contingent upon proper behavior in the host country and if they cant manage to do that- the accreditation is revoked and they get invited to leave. Drunken driving is another common one that gets them booted out.

They also have no special status with law enforcement. Diplomatic violators get arrested and treated like everybody else. Processing at jails is for the staff and prisoners safety- there have been instances where armed diplomats have killed people. After their status is verified they are released- usually to their missions designated personnel. Depending on the offense they may be declared “persona non grata”

She wealsed out and fled. Unsurprising, we allow fraudsters to leave all the time. As for the queers and such at our consulars in India, follow the local rules and customs. India is simply playing hardball the only way they can.

13 posted on 01/11/2014 10:05:18 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I’ll admit to not being completely up to speed on India’s Cold War relations, but it never appeared to me they were hard line anti-Western. Truth be told, you touched on a major reason why they could have gone that route. Today they aren’t what I would call rabid anti-Britain or the West.

In Russia’s hemisphere and not as militarily prepared for war as Russia, India had to do somewhat of a tap-dance. I don’t believe they could have come out totally Western without some fear of harassment or retribution. It would seem to me they played it about right.

Yes India did have relations with Russia, but they never acted hard line anti-US.

As for India having scorn for the British, in truth I think there are some things they appreciate that the British handed off to them. Their government seems to function reasonably, and Britain brought that framework to them.

It is reasonable to think India would have some big problems with the occupation, but it hasn’t gone hard line on it. I think India has handled it’s foreign relations rather well.

Perhaps you would like to explain your views on it. I may learn something if you do.


14 posted on 01/11/2014 10:10:33 AM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: untenured

Say what you want, this was a huge mistake by the US. India is entitled to whatever reaction they desire.


15 posted on 01/11/2014 10:13:16 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

In fact India sided with non-aligned (neutral) nations during the cold war. Mainly because the US favored muslim Pakistan, India’s arch rival in the region.


16 posted on 01/11/2014 10:14:45 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: untenured
Actually the problem moved beyond the importance of Khobragade. Her strip-search and cavity-search upon her arrest, irritated many in India, uniting political parties across the spectrum (which is an almost impossible task). It was no longer about what she had done, but more about a national humiliation through how their diplomat was treated.

They do have a point. If this had been done to Chinese or Russian diplomats, the response from these countries would have been immediate and pretty severe, making headlines around the world. We know all about the Chinese government sponsored riots to express anger. Compared to that India's response has been quite calm and measured.

These sort of problems have festered for a while now. Couple of years ago the Indian ambassador to the U.S. was subjected to an extensive search in one of the airports here. Prior to that the Indian defense minister was searched at an airport.

India feels that the treatment it receives is not the same respect that other countries get. Recently there was the incident of the Saudi princess keeping near slaves and she was let go, and then the Russian diplomats engaged in some fraud, and those guys were also not arrested.

India feels that it is perceived as a "soft state" that does not retaliate or reciprocate for these incidents, that is why they are ignored when they complain.

The sad part is that the U.S. diplomats in India are the ones who have to deal with the consequences, not Bharara or anyone else.

17 posted on 01/11/2014 10:28:37 AM PST by Moorings
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I am not defending the Indian diplomat. Seemingly she broke immigration and labor laws. The State Department should have notified her boss of her crimes and told him to quietly get her out of the country pronto. Instead, somebody wanted to make an example of her and the result is an international incident.

This isn't about diplomatic immunity. It is about how you treat your friends and allies and those you wish were your friends and allies.

India is, putatively, an English speaking democracy. There are not enough of those and they are all natural allies of each other.

India is surrounded by hostile moslem countries and China. It is a bulwark against terrorism. It is a counterweight to China. It is a growing maritime power in an area the US seeks to de-emphasize militarily. India is the 7th most admired foreign country by Americans. India is a natural ally of the US.

Remember, no US citizen was harmed by this woman. She snuck a maid into the country and underpaid her. For that you set back Indo-American relations a couple of decades? How does that make sense?

18 posted on 01/11/2014 10:32:15 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Moorings; Former Proud Canadian
There is what you're entitled to do, which I'm not disputing, and what you ought to do. India by all means ought to communicate, through traditional channels, the right of their diplomats to be treated in accordance with convention. That they expelled a US diplomat, for example, is perfectly reasonable. But the Indian people, led by their opportunistic politicians, have deeply absorbed the discourse of "humiliation," which all nations just barely on the outside looking in seem to do. This discourse, in the form of making up for previous humiliations and the demand for respect, is also very common in contemporary China. (Think also about the bluster of Theodore Roosevelt, or the desire for respect of Wilhemite Germany.)

I get it, and they appear to be right about what in the grand scheme of things is a completely inconsequential matter, but there are bigger things afoot. It's too bad no one's politics seems to allow for seeing it.

19 posted on 01/11/2014 10:38:20 AM PST by untenured
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'She snuck a maid into the country and underpaid her. For that you set back Indo-American relations a couple of decades? How does that make sense?'

It only continues the difference in class and who you know. We continue to create a system of those who can get away with it, and those who get punished. We are in the get punished cat, she is not.

It is a pissing contest, India will always do what is in their best interest, right now that is kicking out fags from our State Department. Big deal, they are caste defined society and corrupt, we try to be a little different here.

20 posted on 01/11/2014 10:43:22 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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