Posted on 01/15/2014 9:08:18 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
yes but when one of those nations screams almost daily that it plans to destroy its Great Satan (USA) and .. when (as now) it is testing long and longer range ICBM’s... (not that they are necessary but they surely could be used to attack USA), and when that country’s leaders are spending billions of dineros building nuclear bombs to put on those ICBM’s (or to just smuggle into USA what with our open borders)
then it is time to pay attention (and eliminate the danger before it causes us tens of millions of unnecessary casualties)
we can AGREE that we should try to avoid getting bogged down in conflicts (and especially with the crazy Islamicists) like in Syria, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, Central African Republic, and everywhere else Obama has been sending American troops to overthrow governments and install his Muslim Brother and other terrorist comrades and friends
three days of the USAF could eliminate the Iranian nuke threat to America NOW, before it is ready to strike our large cities
how to get Obama to stop his illegal bombing and overthrowing of foreign governments to install IslamoNazi terrorists into power?
I don’t have a solution to that, sorry
Whatever Buchanan wants or does not want doesn’t change the fact that our nation is being bled and bankrupted by a messianic urge to defend all and remake the world that is closer in philosophy to Woodrow Wilson and FDR than it is to George Washington.
I think people on this thread should be more focused on arguing the issues Pat raises than arguing the person Pat is. We libertarians and conservatives should never shy away from arguing in the forum of ideas, becasue we are usually right and win the argument just about every time.
I appreciate your reasoned response. I just think Iran is not the threat that their bluster sometimes suggests. And I think the big winner from a US attack on Iran would be al-Qaeda who, unlike Iran, has an actual history of terrorist attacks on American soil.
Iran is a major funder of terrorism and the US is going to squat about that while declaring “peace”.
I wonder if Obama could have been elected in the first place if we conservatives had done a better job facing and debating the issues the past twenty years.
Our endless wars in that area will make China the world’s only superpower. Iran war may be existential for Israel but it is also existential for us.
Nobody’s disputing the sins of Iran’s disreputable regime, But sometimes in this vale of tears you have to live with the lesser of evils or else you will be consumed with eternal war and slow national death.
did I ask for war?
Iran wants to nuke us. They will build nukes and ICBM’s and Kerry/Obama will let them. They hate us more than they hate Israel.
Losing a few cities is a lesser evil than enteral war I guess, that much is probably true.
But, as a free people, we should heed the warning that freedom requires eternal vigilance. This may not be comfortable for us, but it is necessary. I fear our comfortable lifestyle has lulled many of us to sleep. True freedom-loving Americans need to wake up and (re)educate themselves (since all government schools do is brain-wash). So I think conservatives and libertarians should exercise educated involvement as they see fit not becasue they love politics but because they love freedom.
Reminds me William Wallace's initial reluctance in "Braveheart" which we saw last night. It also occurred to me while watching that they were ready to fight because their very lives and families were threatened by the English. The threat was obvious at that point, but it required bloodshed. Well, that's the point you raise and I consider here: the sooner Americans recognize and act on the threat to their freedoms, the less pain to fix it.
well, ok. i believe Iran is a super-sized threat to America
(I am not at all prepared, or willing, to ignore or dismiss their constant, repeated, long-term threats to destroy The Great Satan... especially when they are busy building exactly the kind of weapons and delivery systems that would enable them to do just that)
I think they are, frankly, mad men... quite possibly possessed by Satan...
and that they will do just as they say, once they believe they can pull it off
I wish I had your confidence that the above was wrong
Best regards,
fhc
You and Pat are probably in love with Diane Feinstein now.
That's funny . . . I can remember when "palaecons" were all for fighting for Rhodesia, South Africa, Nationalist China, Nicaragua, El Salvador . . . even South Vietnam. It's just when those pesky Israelis are in someone's crosshairs that they suddenly become isolationist and neutralist. Now ain't that a shiner?
I guess unlike Nationalist China, Israel just isn't a "white, chrstian" nation within the pale of "western civilization."
Meanwhile, bleeding America in a messianic crusade during the Cold War was tickety-boo. It's just too bad those nasty old Israelis had to show up on our side.
Of course. They've been nothing but cuddly little bunnies ever since Khomeini (yimach shemo vezikhro!). Why, that whole 444-day humiliation of the US from '79 to '81 was just a big misunderstanding. They were just mad at David Rockefeller and the "international bankers," that's all!
Iran--mankind's last best hope against the "Zionist new world order."
I like 95% of what Pat says but he is oblivious to Muslim imperialism. He rather play ostrich. He can ignore reality but reality will not ignore him
I think most all conservatives, even Buchanan, were in favor of supporting Israel in the era of the Yom Kippur war when the Soviets threatened to tip the balance against the Israelis. Now it is a different era. The Israeli military is much stronger relative to the rest of the region.
Buchanan is right in that Iran has no desire to attack the United States or to wage war against it. Raccoons don't attack mountain lions.
The alleged and non-existent military threat from Iran (or from Iraq, or Syria, etc) seems like an intentional distraction at times. Insofar as there is a Muslim threat to the western world, it doesn't come from aggressive war, but from immigration and demographic trends. And on the issue of Third World immigration, whether it's the Arabization/Africanization of Europe or the transformation the the US into an annex of Mexico, there is no more stalwart spokesman than Pat Buchanan.
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