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To: OneWingedShark
their debt to society can never be repaid

Has yours been repaid?

it is also unjust to make a man forever pay for his crime (like denying him all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities of a citizen) even after serving his sentence...The only right way to do it is to make the death one of relative speed and some dignity

Now that's a new one I haven't seen before. Interesting and creative but I'm pretty sure there's nothing in criminal law that states that as a reason for capital punishment. No, but that's an argument similar to taking the life of a baby, elderly, or infirmed because someone in their manifest great wisdom has decreed it's better for them to die. God has given individuals the right to life, which is sacred.

81 posted on 01/28/2014 2:20:29 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew
>> their debt to society can never be repaid
>
> Has yours been repaid?

Depends on how you're qualifying the question: if you are considering being a productive member of society (which can quickly degrade into evaluating a person's worth on cost/value) -- perhaps.
If you're talking strictly about the legal world, which this thread would indicate, then yes.

>> it is also unjust to make a man forever pay for his crime (like denying him all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities of a citizen) even after serving his sentence...The only right way to do it is to make the death one of relative speed and some dignity
>
> Now that's a new one I haven't seen before. Interesting and creative but I'm pretty sure there's nothing in criminal law that states that as a reason for capital punishment. No, but that's an argument similar to taking the life of a baby, elderly, or infirmed because someone in their manifest great wisdom has decreed it's better for them to die. God has given individuals the right to life, which is sacred.

I don't agree with the last part; but it is true that there are things which cannot be restored — we can never give life to the murdered or to eradicate/rebuild what despoilment the raped experienced.

The great injustice that we see in our legal system today are those that society has been brainwashed to think are just. Take, for example, some people expressing a that's what he deserves-attitude toward the raped in prison. (Rape is evil and wrong, period. *mdash; There is no way that true justice can, by nature, involve the unjust. [It can be terrible.]) That people accept that a felon, having served his sentence, can still be deprived of rights is an injustice that weakens the power of those rights for everyone. Take, for example, the mandatory minimum sentences for drug charges — sometimes the amounts are so small that it is likely it was planted [and the behavior of the police certainly doesn't engender trust].

In the end, we do great injustice by making our system incapable of meting out swift and severe [restorative] retribution* — there are no ways to have a punishment be done and over… it's always the extraction of years and years of life.


* Something like, say, a whipping for insubordination or a single moment of indiscretion [in the military] could be done and over and let everyone get back to life… instead, there's really only two modes: slap-on-the-wrist and heavy-handed punishment (like being busted in rank, from something that literally took years to achieve).

107 posted on 01/28/2014 3:54:29 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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