[Orangedog]

We don’t have to become liberal we just need to let people alone and point out the failures of the Left.

And that's the weakness libertarians see in conservatives and liberals...the damn near genetic inability to mind their own business. I tend to have more common cause with the righties, but I saw how drunk on power they got last decade and how quickly the libertarians were told to shut up and sit down because they were in charge. There is going to have to be more deeds than words to get them back under the same tent again this time.

[SoConPubbie]

And that's the weakness libertarians see in conservatives and liberals...the damn near genetic inability to mind their own business. I tend to have more common cause with the righties, but I saw how drunk on power they got last decade and how quickly the libertarians were told to shut up and sit down because they were in charge. There is going to have to be more deeds than words to get them back under the same tent again this time.

If you are equating neocons with conservative, you're just plain wrong.

They are only half-conservative, and I count GWB and those around him in their number.

You (rhetorically speaking) cannot call yourself a conservative and not be a social, fiscal, self-defence, military conservative. If you are missing any of those components, you maybe a big or small 'L' libertarian or a neocon, but you are not a conservative.