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Boehner Delays Immigration Push
breitbart.com ^ | 2/6/14 | Johathan Strong

Posted on 02/06/2014 9:23:08 AM PST by cotton1706

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To: kabar
RE :”You live in a fantasy world. Eric Cantor desperately wants to be Speaker.”

That's a bogus claim thats been floating around in liberal land for a long time, for well over two years now. The Democrats love to say that.

It defies reality. None of them want that job, especially not with Reid controlling Senate.

Not one challenged Bohner Jan 2013.

Not one was called on any of them to challenge him as Speaker (themselves.) Not Levin, not Rush,...

They have great jobs with him taking the heat.

41 posted on 02/06/2014 11:24:34 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs
It defies reality. None of them want that job, especially not with Reid controlling Senate.

So your theory is that Boehner drew the short straw and that no one else wants to be the Speaker of the House, even John Boehner. It is of no consequence that this position is one of the most powerful in Congress, the occupant is 2nd in line for the Presidency, is paid $233,500 a year, the fourth highest paid official in government (he gets more than Harry Reid), and determines the chairmanships of powerful committees and what legislation to bring to the floor, etc.

Sheer lunacy. Do you really believe that there are no Reps in the House who want the job? Consider who these people are. They have huge egos and are politically ambitious to the point that some would climb over the body of their dead mother to move ahead. I have dealt with them over 20 years abroad assisting CODELs around the world. The vast majority of them are in politics for power and influence. Most of them are millionaires and those that aren't will become ones by the time they leave. They are arrogant and condescending. They can also be boorish and an embarrassment while overseas representing this country.

Boehner gets an additional benefit: Up to $1 million per year for up to five years after he leaves the office to “facilitate the administration, settlement and conclusion of matters pertaining to or arising out of” his tenure as speaker of the House, according to a little known law.

This provision has allowed former Speaker Denny Hastert, R – Ill., to rack up more than $997,000 during the course of three years to document materials related to his time in office. “The archiving continues to go on,” spokesman Brad Hahn told the Chicago Tribune in Feb. 2010. “I wouldn't want to speculate on a timeline.”

Don't insult our intelligence that no Rep wants to be Speaker of the House. If Boehner drops dead tomorrow there will be a flock of candidates. It is one of the most prized and powerful jobs in government, which is why we need Boehner replaced in the next Congress.

42 posted on 02/07/2014 8:59:38 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
RE :”It is of no consequence that this position is one of the most powerful in Congress”

Pelosi had a very powerful job, but Boehners job as the GOP Speaker is merely a goat he gets to make few decisions and all the blmae.

Pelosi ruled her caucus with an iron fist as that's the way the Dem party works, she tolerated no dissent.

Bohner job is more of a hostage.

RE :”Don't insult our intelligence that no Rep wants to be Speaker of the House.”

No-one wants that job, not you, not Lou Gomert.

43 posted on 02/07/2014 9:33:35 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs

As I indicated, you are delusional. Tip O’Neil had no problem being Speaker while Reagan was in the WH. The power of the purse resides in the House. Boehner and the GOP are afraid to use it.


44 posted on 02/07/2014 9:37:56 AM PST by kabar
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To: sickoflibs
No-one wants that job

Idaho's Raul Labrador wants it.

Boehner's Job

He might be the one guy smart and quick enough to get it done.

Nobody else has called out Boehner head-on in this folly.

45 posted on 02/07/2014 9:48:29 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: kabar; Fightin Whitey
RE :”As I indicated, you are delusional. Tip O’Neil had no problem being Speaker while Reagan was in the WH. The power of the purse resides in the House. Boehner and the GOP are afraid to use it”

Its you who are delusional.
Your example doesn't even apply. TIP was a Dem.
I already pointed out how Pelosi wants the job because she rules with an iron fist.

Many House libs wanted to shutdown the government to defund Iraq and to even impeach GWB in 2007.

But Pelosi made sure they knew they would pay if they tried any funny Business that interfered with HER plans, and they behaved themselves.

But she sure wouldn't want Bohners job, and no one else does either.

46 posted on 02/07/2014 1:16:50 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: Fightin Whitey; kabar
RE :”No-one wants that job
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Idaho's Raul Labrador wants it. “

That's just more typical bow-wow. In fact your source even says

While the congressman would not say that he was offering himself as a better potential speaker, he did not rule out entertaining the idea, the publication said.”

HAHA< No fing way does he want that.

47 posted on 02/07/2014 1:20:24 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs
Gingrich served under Clinton. The point you made was that a Rep speaker doesn't have any power when there is a President of the opposite party.

But she sure wouldn't want Bohners job, and no one else does either.

She wants her job back. And saying something over and over again doesn't make it so. If Boehner doesn't like his job, he can resign.

48 posted on 02/07/2014 1:42:21 PM PST by kabar
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To: sickoflibs

Do you know how the Speaker of the House is selected? One clue: There is no secret ballot. Opposition to Boehner has to be very guarded since Boehner and the House leadership make committee assignments.


49 posted on 02/07/2014 1:44:52 PM PST by kabar
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To: sickoflibs

Why be such a d!ck about it?

You love your Boehner, you get to keep your Boehner.

You know the poster above is right...a good speaker has a great and powerful job. You get a loser like your man in there and he makes the job look like a loser job.


50 posted on 02/07/2014 1:52:08 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey; kabar
RE :”You love your Boehner, you get to keep your Boehner.”

Not me, its those cowards in the House who wont go near that job. That is why he is there. I tried but I was alone.

Call your favorite pet house hero and ask him to run against him as speaker, I dare you. He will never return the call.
72 posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 3:02:20 PM by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)

Get on the phone and call your favorite House member to run as Speaker and tell us what he said,
26 posted on Monday, December 24, 2012 1:58:08 AM by sickoflibs

Get someone to run against Bohner, its that simple.
52 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 2:02:18 AM by sickoflibs

You should challenge them (your favorite house members) to oppose him as Speaker by running for it themselves now , this losing and then scape-goating whining stuff is long past old.
49 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 1:46:45 AM by sickoflibs

51 posted on 02/07/2014 1:57:36 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs

The next challenge will be with the new Congress that comes in next January. Very, very rarely is a Speaker removed prior to the expiration of the current Congress that chose him. I don’t think Boehner will be Speaker if the House is retained by the Reps. He will either decide not to run or he will be defeated by ballot.


52 posted on 02/07/2014 2:11:23 PM PST by kabar
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To: sickoflibs

Wake up, man.

If your favorite congressman makes a run at the speakership without having his support lined up, then HE is the dumbass.

You saw how Boehner stripped some of the team of their committeeships simply for withholding their votes from his pet crap not long after they’d regained the House.

There are a lot of cowards on our team and I don’t see Labrador as the be-all end-all. But he must have had a little encouragement, and when he challenged Boehner publicly on immigration Boehner backed down the next day.

Now I assume Labrador is on the s-list as far as the great speaker is concerned. On the other hand Labrador fired the first shot, NOT that sniveler MCarthy, not that sneaky suck-up Cantor...

I’m with you—I think we won’t get anywhere with Boehner in charge. And I think the odds are long but I ain’t without hope.


53 posted on 02/07/2014 2:50:25 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey
RE :”If your favorite congressman makes a run at the speakership without having his support lined up, then HE is the dumbass.
You saw how Boehner stripped some of the team of their committeeships simply for withholding their votes from his pet crap not long after they’d regained the House.”

Thats another easily debunked fallacious argument repeated here frequently. It must come from talk radio.

Since a few House Republicans made symbolic protests votes for people not even in the house early 2013, like Lou Gomert, its shows that fear of Bohner is not a their problem,

Same with the fellow you cited who made that empty threat. He is not scared.,

So they got no excuses.,

54 posted on 02/07/2014 4:57:39 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs

A “symbolic vote” vs. a challenge for the speakership?

Are you 20 years old?

What gives you the idea that no one wants to be Speaker? A speaker can rival the President in power if the Speaker is strong and the President weak.

Use your magic telephone and call Chris Matthews someday soon. Ask him if his boss Tip O’Neill enjoyed the speakership. Ask Matthews if he enjoyed working under it. Ask him if Jim Wright, Dan Rostenkowski, Tom Foley, Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich enjoyed being Speaker.

Get a call or email to Newt and ask him if he enjoyed being Speaker and how many there were lined up to knock him off.

The problem isn’t that no one wants the job. The problem is that it’s so hard to get it (a schlub like Boehner lands the spot because the more ambitious people line up their allies and no one can get a plurality.) It’s like claiming that no one must want to be a billionaire, ‘cause there are just so few of them.

You’re talking silly. It’s a debate between you and the sane peope, you know?


55 posted on 02/07/2014 5:28:07 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey
RE :”A “symbolic vote” vs. a challenge for the speakership?
Are you 20 years old?
What gives you the idea that no one wants to be Speaker? A speaker can rival the President in power if the Speaker is strong and the President weak.”

I have already explained this in detail and you ignore that.

Pelosi wants to be Speaker but no one wants to be GOP Speaker. That is why I posted those challenges to house members via freepers to challenge Bohner as speaker rather than casy symbolic votes for mickey Mouse etc.

Note that my challenges to REALLY challenge him were all prior to Bohners re-selection.

You dont see why no-one wants Bohners job? Seriously?

To get blamed for shutting down the government, defaulting on the debt, anti-women policies, anti-immigrant and being called a traitor by some in his own party?

No one was willing to step up for that job. Its a Kabuki dance.

56 posted on 02/08/2014 12:05:54 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: kabar
RE :”Do you know how the Speaker of the House is selected? One clue: There is no secret ballot. Opposition to Boehner has to be very guarded since Boehner and the House leadership make committee assignments.”

Thats another easily debunked fallacious argument repeated here frequently. It must come from talk radio.

Since a few House Republicans made symbolic protests votes for people not even in the house early 2013, like Lou Gomert, its shows that fear of Bohner is not a their problem,

So they got no excuses.,

57 posted on 02/08/2014 1:22:48 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: kabar; Fightin Whitey
RE :”The next challenge will be with the new Congress that comes in next January. Very, very rarely is a Speaker removed prior to the expiration of the current Congress that chose him. I don’t think Boehner will be Speaker if the House is retained by the Reps. He will either decide not to run or he will be defeated by ballot.”

Hold on there. You assured me many many times that Bohner will pass amnesty and Obama will sign it THIS YEAR and GOP will lose seats because of it.

If you are right and he passes immigration reform AND he loses seats, which I seriously doubt will happen, then it will be tough for him to hang on.

If you are wrong and he doesn't pass amnesty and he doesn't lose seats, maybe gains seats, then he's got a pretty good hold.

58 posted on 02/08/2014 1:31:15 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs
To get blamed for shutting down the government, defaulting on the debt, anti-women policies, anti-immigrant and being called a traitor by some in his own party?

You are mistaking no one wanting to be Boehner-the-idiot with no one wanting his job.

lol

Seriously, if Boehner caught on fire and burned to a crisp in a tanning booth tomorrow there would be a mad scramble to take his place.

I think you underestimate the all-consuming lust for power in D.C.

I think you are correct in your very low estimation of most of the players there.

A speaker, like a president, has to be a leader. The Republican party hasn't seen a real one since Reagan.

59 posted on 02/08/2014 6:49:35 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: sickoflibs
Since a few House Republicans made symbolic protests votes for people not even in the house early 2013, like Lou Gomert, its shows that fear of Bohner is not a their problem,

Of course it is a problem. Boehner is vindictive and rules with an iron hand just as Pelosi did. Boehner is frustrated by the Tea Party coalition in Congress. Remember Boehner's Tea Party rant two months ago?

"In a remarkable moment of political clarity, House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) escalated his feud with outside conservative advocacy groups that have repeatedly undermined his leadership team's agenda for three years.

"Frankly, I just think they've lost all credibility," Boehner told reporters Thursday at his weekly press briefing.

After years of enduring broadsides from groups such as Heritage Action, Boehner's last straw came this week when the collection of Washington-based groups attacked the bipartisan budget deal that Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) negotiated, with several announcing they opposed it before Ryan and his Senate counterpart, Patty Murray (D-Wash.), unveiled it Monday night.

"Are you kidding me?" Boehner screamed into the microphone Thursday, in mocking tones. On Wednesday, Boehner issued a brief attack on the groups, accusing them of "using" his GOP lawmakers, particularly younger, less experienced lawmakers.

On Thursday, he relished having a longer, more expansive critique of the groups. "I don't care what they do," Boehner said at one point, suggesting that after years of helping sabotage pacts that he and his lieutenants were trying to craft, the conservative activists had finally begun to "step over the line" by opposing Ryan's deal.

None of the speaker's comments is new, but the public airing of his grievances demonstrated a belief that he is in a stronger internal position within his own GOP caucus - and more importantly, that his rank-and-file has grown exhausted from the steady drumbeat of threats from the groups that they would back a primary challenger against the lawmakers unless they vote a certain way.

Dan Holler, a spokesman for Heritage Action for America, sharply rejected Boehner’s charge that outside groups such as his have lost credibility by opposing the latest budget deal, saying that conservative organizations are merely reflecting the sentiments of their grassroots activists.

“The more information that gets out about this deal, the harder it is for members to vote yes and go back home and explain that vote,” Holler said. “That’s where the rub is.”

“Let’s be honest,” he added. “Conservatives back home are not going to buy this deal.”

60 posted on 02/08/2014 7:16:05 AM PST by kabar
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