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To: impimp; Popman
There are no claimants to the bones of Mary, unlike other saints. The first written mention is commonly believed to be in the 3rd to 5th centuries.

You have a way with words. The fact is that it is not simply claimants to the bones that is missing, but any actual early testimony at all, despite what an important event this would be, and "fathers" of the earliest centuries repeatedly citing Enoch and Elijah as examples of people who didn’t die, but never Mary.

And rather than professing what you follow is from the Apostles and early church father, you need to admit it is on the basis of the professed veracity of Rome that you believe this, for as a RC you are not to objectively examine the evidence in order to ascertain the veracity of official RC teaching, but as in a cult you are to simply submit to the church as to God.

As Keating states, "fundamentalists ask, where is the proof from Scripture? Strictly, there is none. It was the Catholic Church that was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly. The mere fact that the Church teaches the doctrine of the Assumption as definitely true is a guarantee that it is true.” — Karl Keating, Catholicism and Fundamentalism (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1988), p. 275.

“All that we do [as must be patent enough now] is to submit our judgment and conform our beliefs to the authority Almighty God has set up on earth to teach us; this, and nothing else.”

“He willingly submits his judgment on questions the most momentous that can occupy the mind of man-----questions of religion-----to an authority located in Rome.”

“Absolute, immediate, and unfaltering submission to the teaching of God's Church on matters of faith and morals-----this is what all must give..”

“The Vicar of Christ is the Vicar of God; to us the voice of the Pope is the voice of God. This, too, is why Catholics would never dream of calling in question the utterance of a priest in expounding Christian doctrine according to the teaching of the Church;”

“He is as sure of a truth when declared by the Catholic Church as he would be if he saw Jesus Christ standing before him and heard Him declaring it with His Own Divine lips.”

“So if God [via Rome] declares that the Blessed Virgin was conceived Immaculate, or that there is a Purgatory, or that the Holy Eucharist is the real Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, shall we say, "I am not sure about that. I must examine it for myself; I must see whether it is true, whether it is Scriptural?" 1">—“Henry G. Graham, "What Faith Really Means", (Nihil Obstat:C. SCHUT, S. T.D., Censor Deputatus, Imprimatur: EDM. CANONICUS SURMONT, D.D.,Vicarius Generalis. WESTMONASTERII, Die 30 Septembris, 1914 ); http://www.catholictradition.org/Tradition/faith2-10.htm]

This does not mean it was not believed by Christians before that time. Just as the Trinitarian doctrine does not jump out at you at first glance, neither does the assumption of Mary.

That is an absurd and grievous comparison! The Trinity as professed by the Nicene creed is so well substantiated by Scripture that this was the basis for it, and thus evangelicalism rose up to defend it among other core truths which liberal revisionism denied.

In stark contrast the bodily Assumption of Mary is absent from Scripture, which makes manifest important events and aspects of its characters, nor was it promised as distinct from the "resurrection of the just," which is when they arise and are crowned.

And just as absent among the 100+ prayers in Scripture is even one example of anyone except pagans praying to anyone in Heaven but the Lord, much less Mary being crowned as Queen with almost unlimited power, whose prayers are like commands to God, and who even can be a more ready help than any others, among many other attributes ascribed to the Mary of Rome .

79 posted on 02/09/2014 3:24:53 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

At least I know that there is one Catholic church teaching that was defined hundreds of years after Christ’s death that you accept. Your faith in Catholic Church’s canon of the New Testament is to be commended. If you are a papist in one respect why not be a papist in all respects?

By the way the canon of the NT was defined by the Church around the same time writings concerning the Assumption of Mary began to appear extensively in various writings.


82 posted on 02/09/2014 3:47:03 PM PST by impimp
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