In California, Thousands Exposed to Measles

Oh, FYI--because the temptation to educate is too strong to resist--mercury is not used in adjuvants. It is used in trace amounts as a preservative in multi-dose vials of vaccine, in the form of sodium azide. In that usage, the dose is extremely small; you get more mercury by eating a tuna-fish sandwich.

Oh one more thing. Funny how you forgot to mention Thimerosal when referencing mercury in vaccines that you say doesn't exist. Now, you have such HIGH standards for references that I don't kow if my meager efforts will make the grade here, but if - if, mind you - you consider the US FOod and Drug Administration a legitimate enough reference, here's what they say about this chemical:

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound (an organomercurial). Since the 1930s, it has been widely used as a preservative in a number of biological and drug products, including many vaccines, to help prevent potentially life threatening contamination with harmful microbes. Over the past several years, because of an increasing awareness of the theoretical potential for neurotoxicity of even low levels of organomercurials and because of the increased number of thimerosal containing vaccines that had been added to the infant immunization schedule, concerns about the use of thimerosal in vaccines and other products have been raised.

Well gee, isn't that interesting? I'm sure you'll take that into account now, right? SURE you will especially the point about how such small doses are still very dangerous - right?

Oh, and about that chemical you referenced (you know, when you were forgetting to mention Thimerosal) - sodium azide? Now again, I don't know if you'll accept a reference from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but this is what they say about the extreme poisonousness and danger of sodium azide:

Sodium azide is a rapidly acting, potentially deadly chemical that exists as an odorless white solid. When it is mixed with water or an acid, sodium azide changes rapidly to a toxic gas with a pungent (sharp) odor. Sodium azide is best known as the chemical found in automobile airbags. Sodium azide is used as a chemical preservative in hospitals and laboratories. Sodium azide is also used in detonators and other explosives. You could be exposed to sodium azide by drinking the contaminated water or by eating contaminated food. Sodium azide prevents the cells of the body from using oxygen. When this happens, the cells die. Sodium azide is more harmful to the heart and the brain than to other organs, because the heart and the brain use a lot of oxygen. People exposed to a small amount of sodium azide by breathing it, absorbing it through their skin, or eating foods that contain it may have some or all of the following symptoms within minutes: Dizziness, Headache, Nausea and vomiting, Rapid breathing, Rapid heart rate, Restlessness, Weakness. Exposure to a large amount of sodium azide by any route may cause these other health effects as well: Convulsions, Low blood pressure, Loss of consciousness, Lung injury, Respiratory failure leading to death, Slow heart rate. Survivors of serious sodium azide poisoning may have heart and brain damage.

Well gee again - low amounts of mercury in sodium azide? Well, is that really relevant, since the chemical is so poisonous and toxic and that it is used in explosives and preservatives and leads to heart and brain damage?

So you FORGET to mention Thimerosal, and DEFEND the use of sodium azide, INJECTED into children and infants, while demanding references from me from pharmaceutical-backed publications?

And you call these kind of observations a "screed"?

I find your shamelessness revolting - especially since they directly endanger the lives of so many children and families.

Again I pray - God save us all from people like you.

Oh one more thing. Funny how you forgot to mention Thimerosal when referencing mercury in vaccines that you say doesn't exist. Now, you have such HIGH standards for references that I don't kow if my meager efforts will make the grade here, but if - if, mind you - you consider the US FOod and Drug Administration a legitimate enough reference, here's what they say about this chemical:

Actually, I made a mistake. I was speaking of thimerosal (aka thiomersal), but misspoke and called it by the name of another common (but highly toxic in high doses) laboratory preservative. Everything I said was, in fact, referring to thimerosal.

FYI, if you read the excerpt from the FDA carefully, you will see that it does not say anywhere that thiomersal is a health hazard as used. It only says that "concerns" have been raised. Medical studies continue to support the safety of the use of thiomersal in vaccines.

So you FORGET to mention Thimerosal, and DEFEND the use of sodium azide, INJECTED into children and infants, while demanding references from me from pharmaceutical-backed publications?

As I said, calling thiomersal by the wrong name was a mistake. Yes, even scientists make mistakes--we are, however, willing to correct ourselves when the mistakes are pointed out.

I have given you a number of sources for medical information in previous posts. These sources are not, as you claim, "pharmaceutical-backed publications." These sources are where researchers such as myself publish our experimental findings so that other researchers can see them. These sources are used by physicians to keep current in their fields. If you go to the PubMed database as I suggested, you will see that it contains no ads and it is not trying to sell you anything. The other sites like WebMD, Mayo Clinic, and so forth, do run ads, but they are not trying to sell their own products. Also, I have nothing particularly against the pharmaceutical industry. I'd much rather take an antibiotic tested for safety and efficacy in thousands of people than risk my health (and waste money) by taking "supplements" of unknown or questionable composition that have not been tested and are being sold by people who have no scientific or medical training.

Lastly, there is nothing wrong in demanding reliable references for ridiculous claims. If you are going to claim that vaccines are killing people, you'd better be able to come up with a reliable reference to support the claim. The CDC records all causes of deaths, every year. While many people die of infectious disease, I have never seen a mention of even one person dying from a vaccine--despite hundreds of millions of vaccinations administered every year. You can read about significant causes of illness and mortality at the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. I read this report every week.

So you conduct experiments on your own dime? And you medical publications also operate solo? And there’s no pharmaceutical money in any of it? LOL.

And as a medical researcher, a scientist who is of the highest ethics and so admits mistakes when they are pointed out, somehow forgets that the actual chemical is thimerosol - in a discussion concerning mercury in vaccines? LOL.

But hey it doesn’t matter anyway because even though millions of people made enough of a protest for enough year that the thimerosol was finally forced to be admitted as a danger - it’s actually not, because your publications don’t admit a certain level of danger that you consider a danger (and you’re sure you’re remembering what cehmical they’re talking about as being safe, right?). LOL.

And the CDC doesn’t report death from vaccines, so there are no deaths from vaccines - period. LOL.

But that’s not talking about injuries from vaccines - but that doesn’t matter because the CDC is pure, and is not in any way legally influenced by reporting standards set up by the vaccines courts, nor lobbyists for the pharmaceutical companies. LOL.

And in any event, any medical source other than ones you cite, even those including MDs who don’t agree with you, literally do not even exist as a legitimate informations source precisely because they are not one of the sources you cite - and therefore you don’t have to adresss any of their findings. LOL.

Which of course means that all alternative medicine on the planet, meaning literally everything from every country that is not found in YOUR selected publications that somehow operate free from multi-trillion dollar multinational pharmaceutical influence - does not even EXIST as medical information. Zip.

What can I say other than that you are utterly shameless.

How shameles, Ms. Scientist? How about this bit of unpublished, non-medical information that is worth nothing: The medical establishment says there is only a “trace” of mercury in timerosol vaccinations......well lets define “trace”. A trace according to them is 25 mcg (micrograms) in a 0.5ml (millilitre) dose. Hold that thought.

The EPA classifies any substance having greater than 200ppb (parts per billion) of mercury as toxic waste, that must be disposed of through the appropriate channels (i.e. HAZMAT protocol).

Now go back to “trace”. PPM (parts per million) is mcg per millilitre....so using 25mcg per 0.5ml dose we have 50ppm of mercury per dose.

PPB is mcg per litre.

To compare apples to apples and make our EPA data relevant, we need to convert 50ppm to ppb, so we move the decimal 3 places (just as we would to take ml to L). What does this give us??

50,000ppb!! That’s 250 times the hazardous waste concentration!

And not merely ingested - oh no - inJECTed. And not just into adults - into BABIES. And not just once, but multiple times starting from the moment of birth.

I’m through with you.

bfl

So you conduct experiments on your own dime? And you medical publications also operate solo? And there’s no pharmaceutical money in any of it? LOL.

Like most scientists, my work is paid through taxes. The federal government allocates tens of billions of dollars to research; state governments and private donors also provide billions of dollars. Inasmuch as pharmaceutical companies pay taxes, I guess they do indirectly pay me.

And as a medical researcher, a scientist who is of the highest ethics and so admits mistakes when they are pointed out, somehow forgets that the actual chemical is thimerosol - in a discussion concerning mercury in vaccines? LOL.

And I suppose that you are such a perfect person that you have never, in your life, made a mistake? Honest people own up to their mistakes; dishonest ones try to deny them. I did not, as I already said, "forget" that the chemical is thiomersal--I called it by the wrong name. Using the wrong word is an incredibly minor and common mistake that many people--including you, I bet--make every day.

But hey it doesn’t matter anyway because even though millions of people made enough of a protest for enough year that the thimerosol was finally forced to be admitted as a danger (...)

Millions or billions of people protesting something based on fears and feelings does not equate to scientific evidence about the thing. There is no scientific evidence that thiomersal used as a preservative in vaccines is even a minimal health risk. The vaccine manufacturers and FDA were wrong to cave on this--the better tactic would have been to take the time and effort to educate people.

And the CDC doesn’t report death from vaccines, so there are no deaths from vaccines - period. LOL.

Where is your reference for that? Natural news? That gaia-whatever website? FYI, CDC tracks ALL deaths from ALL causes. If there are no deaths from vaccines listed in that table (which is a HUGE table, several megabytes), then they didn't happen. If there *were* deaths from vaccines, the CDC would be all over it, just like they are all over everything that causes premature death.

And in any event, any medical source other than ones you cite, even those including MDs who don’t agree with you (...)

Of course I do not agree with "MDs" who do not inform their opinion on results of actual medical research. When they start spouting pseudoscientific nonsense (regardless of whether they have a doctoral level education), they should be called out and criticized. If a claim is not based on medical research, it is bilge.

Which of course means that all alternative medicine on the planet, meaning literally everything from every country that is not found in YOUR selected publications that somehow operate free from multi-trillion dollar multinational pharmaceutical influence

PubMed is a database, maintained by the US National Institutes of Health (using tax money). It catalogs medical research from all over the world. Also, as I have seen pointed out over at the Science Based Medicine blog, once an "alternative" treatment has been tested in clinical trials and shown to be effective, then it is just medicine. "Alternative medicine" really refers to anything that has not been tested in a controlled fashion (controlled means that one group receives the standard treatment, and one group receives the experimental treatment, and results are compared).

The EPA classifies any substance having greater than 200ppb (parts per billion) of mercury as toxic waste, that must be disposed of through the appropriate channels (i.e. HAZMAT protocol).

To compare apples to apples and make our EPA data relevant, we need to convert 50ppm to ppb, so we move the decimal 3 places (just as we would to take ml to L). What does this give us??

It is quite difficult to find what the EPA considers an upper allowable limit. You have to keep in mind that the EPA sets that limit really, really low compared to the threshold that actually causes harm. Furthermore, the form of mercury makes a big difference in its toxicity. Thiomersal breaks down to ethylmercury in the body, which is rapidly excreted. The most toxic form of mercury is methylmercury--which you get by eating fish.

Now let's really compare apples to apples. A vaccine can contain from 2.5 to 25 micrograms (ug) of mercury per 0.5 ml dose. Remember, this form of mercury is rapidly cleared from the body.

Tuna contains roughly 0.4 to 0.6 ppm of mercury, in the form methylmercury (the highly toxic form). For ease of calculation, I will use 0.5 ppm. So a 100 g serving of tuna (roughly 3 ounces) contains (100g x (0.5/1,000,000)) = 0.00005 g, or 50 ug of mercury--2 to 20 times as much as found in vaccines. Other fish also contain mercury, some of them far more than tuna.

Now, how often do you eat fish, versus how often are people vaccinated?

I will also point out, since the concern is about neurological damage, that high fever during pregnancy has been shown to cause neurological damage in the fetus, and can even kill the fetus. That is a pretty high price to pay for refusing to take a vaccine. Because of the real and demonstrable fetal damage that occurs because of infectious disease, the CDC and other health experts strongly recommend pregnant women to take the flu vaccine.

And not merely ingested - oh no - inJECTed. And not just into adults - into BABIES. And not just once, but multiple times starting from the moment of birth.

Thank God for that. Thank God for the researchers who have been working for hundreds of years to develop safe vaccines that have saved the lives of countless millions of children. Thank God we no longer have to have ten or more children in the hope of seeing just one survive to adulthood. Thank God that infectious disease is no longer the #1 killer, but is now down to about the #8 cause of death, all because of vaccine.

And curse all of those who promote pseudoscience that causes real children to die of completely preventable infectious disease.

I am very sorry for you that you feel that pseudoscience is so trustworthy--it really does not deserve the level of credibility you assign to it. As I have said before, I can educate you where to find credible, vetted medical information for yourself--but I cannot make you use that knowledge.

P.S. Please note that even where I did not explicitly reference a statement, I can provide a reference upon request. I do not ever say anything that I cannot support with credible evidence.

First of all thimerosal as a preservative was removed from all childhood vaccines except for seasonal flu vaccines beginning in the late 1990’s, early 2000’s and was only before that used in multi-dose vials and was never used for in live virus vaccines such as MMR or chickenpox vaccines. Thimerosal is still used in the vaccine production process of some vaccines so there can be trace amounts left, but these are in miniscule amounts and do not pose any danger despite the fear mongering of the anti-vaccine folks. There is a greater danger in not using it in vaccine production and its other medical uses such as in contact lens solutions and some nasal sprays.

A good example of this is the outbreak of fungal meningitis traced to the New England Compounding Center and their production of “preservative-free” steroid injections. Of course many issues were found there; poor practices, equipment and HVAC systems not properly maintained but the main point is that funguses and mold and bacteria kill and make many people seriously ill and this is very well documented were as vaccines, even those containing thimerosal do not.

FWIW, here is a table showing thimerosal concentrations in vaccines updated as of December 2013:

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm#*_

You might also be interested to read this:

http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/index.cfm?id=160 And this:

http://www.unep.org/chemicalsandwaste/Portals/9/Mercury/Documents/INC3/US_information.pdf

Thimerosal is highly effective in preventing bacterial and fungal growth (those being much more harmful to human health and has a much greater risk of fatally as I noted) and thimerosal was and is safe, was never proven to be toxic to humans or animals in the amounts contained in vaccines and in fact many recent studies have concluded that its removal from vaccines was unnecessary and many comparisons can be drawn to the Alar – Apple scare i.e. the removal of a very safe and effective product because of unscientific fear mongering from the likes of a scientific expert - Meryl Streep.

The reason thimerosal was removed from many vaccines was out of an abundance of caution regarding the possible cumulative effects of overall mercury exposure, i.e. bioaccumulation that FWIW also includes all natural occurring sources such as volcanic eruptions, the weathering of rocks, waste incineration and interestingly, coal fired power plants. So if you are really that concerned about mercury, you should also be all for ending coal as a fuel source. You should also not eat many types of shellfish and fish including Tuna, Orange Roughy, Bluefish and Mackerel as you would be exposed to much more of the much more dangerous form of mercury – methylmercury than you ever would even if you took every possible vaccine currently available. You should also be for outlawing cigarettes as cigarette smoke contains mercury at 5 – 7 ng/cigarette and even second hand smoke contains mercury vapors. *

And you also might choose to educate yourself to learn that all mercury isn't the same: methylmercury vs. ethylmercury:

Mercury is a naturally occurring element found in the earth's crust, air, soil and water. Since the earth's formation, volcanic eruptions, weathering of rocks and burning of coal have caused mercury to be released into the environment. Once released, certain types of bacteria in the environment can change mercury to methylmercury. Methylmercury makes its way through the food chain in fish, animals and humans. At high levels, it can be toxic to people.

Thimerosal contains a different form of mercury called ethylmercury. Studies comparing ethylmercury and methylmercury suggest that they are processed differently in the human body. Ethylmercury is broken down and excreted much more rapidly than methylmercury. Therefore, ethylmercury (the type of mercury in the influenza vaccine) is much less likely than methylmercury (the type of mercury in the environment) to accumulate in the body and cause harm.

"Although the names may sound the same, methylmercury and ethylmercury are very different. An analogy is the difference between methyl alcohol and ethyl alcohol: Methyl alcohol is antifreeze, and ethyl alcohol is a Bud light." - Dr. Ari Brown, pediatrician and author of popular books for parents about infant and child health and development.

Next when you talk of the many deaths and injuries from vaccinations, it is not unreasonable to ask you for a source for that claim. And when I and exDemMom and others ask you for a source, we don’t mean Mercola, Gia Health, and Natural News or that notable leading medical researcher and self proclaimed Autism “expert” and often naked and drunken party girl actress and former shack up of another great brain trust, Jim Carrey, Jenny McCarthy / s. * Oh and ETA, Jenny McCarthy can be seen on TV hawking e-cigarettes. While there is still a lot that is unknown about the safety of e-cigarettes, “a 2009 FDA analysis of e-cigarettes from two leading brands found that the samples contained carcinogens and other hazardous chemicals, including diethylene glycol, which is found in antifreeze.” And if one can conclude that Jenny was and or is still a cigarette smoker, she has exposed herself and her supposedly autistic son who allegedly became autistic because of the mercury in vaccines, to more mercury than anyone would be exposed to via any and all vaccines combined. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Jenny!

Then you might want to look at the morbidity and mortality rates for children and young adults who contracted measles, mump, rubella and polio, etc. pre and post the vaccination era. You might also want to look into the 1917-18 flu pandemic that killed many times more people worldwide than were killed during WWI and according to some estimates, rivaled the death toll of great plagues of the Middle Ages.

Of course back in the “good ole days” of the Middle Ages, long before the evil Pharmas and modern medicine took over, back when “natural herbal remedies” and cures like bloodletting were pretty much all to be had and the scientists of the day believed that diseases were the result of “bad vapors”, a bad alignment of the stars or comets, or a person’s “sinful” nature, back when people believed that smelling fragrant herbs would protect them from diseases that were very much not well understood as to their real cause, like cholera and anthrax, bubonic plague, small pox (small pox which BTW has been completely eradicated because of vaccination programs much like Polio although there are still outbreaks in 3rd world and mostly Islamic countries), etc., back before antibiotics and vaccines, back when 30 to 50% of all children born died and up to 1/3 of all children died before the age of 5 never madding it to adulthood; yes by all means, let’s go back to that! Take a look at the average life expectancy here in the US from 1900 on:

http://demog.berkeley.edu/~andrew/1918/figure2.html

And if you ever have a few hours to spend, take some time to walk through some old grave yards. Personally I find it very fascinating. It is very poignant to note the number of children who died in infancy and how many died before the age of five and the number of women who died during their childbearing years, sometimes their newborn infants buried next to their mothers.

As to mercury:

The EPA classifies any substance having greater than 200ppb (parts per billion) of mercury as toxic waste, that must be disposed of through the appropriate channels (i.e. HAZMAT protocol).

That pertains to the cleanup of liquid mercury, a spill of 1 pound or more (i.e., if it Looks like Two Tablespoons or More) per the EPA. And I could find no reference anywhere referencing the 200ppb except on anti-vaccine websites that interestingly used your same verbiage almost verbatim.

And what makes the spills of liquid mercury particularly dangerous is its properties as a liquid heavy metal that evaporates to an airborne vapor therefore posing an inhalation risk and that it is also a very vicious liquid, one that readily seeps into porous surfaces while it continues to evaporate.

http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/

But small amounts of liquid mercury such as if a liquid mercury thermometer or thermostat breaks or the mercury in a florescent light bulb or CFL is exposed due to breakage, it can be dealt with and safely cleaned up at home by following a few common sense procedures and without having to call in a HAZMAT team.

Per OSHA FWIW:

Has the federal government made recommendations to protect human health?

The EPA has set a limit of 2 parts of mercury per billion parts of drinking water (2 ppb)*.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has set a maximum permissible level of 1 part of methylmercury in a million parts of seafood (1 ppm).

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set limits of 0.1 milligram of organic mercury per cubic meter of workplace air (0.1 mg/m3) and 0.05 mg/m3 of metallic mercury vapor for 8-hour shifts and 40-hour work weeks.

*Again these guidelines are for liquid and methylmercury and not ethylmercury.

Thank God for that. Thank God for the researchers who have been working for hundreds of years to develop safe vaccines that have saved the lives of countless millions of children. Thank God we no longer have to have ten or more children in the hope of seeing just one survive to adulthood. Thank God that infectious disease is no longer the #1 killer, but is now down to about the #8 cause of death, all because of vaccine. And curse all of those who promote pseudoscience that causes real children to die of completely preventable infectious disease.

Thanks exDemMom, I couldn’t have said it better myself.

As I posted here before, my older brother in 1961 at 12 years old contracted the Mumps and seemed to be getting better but then developed meningitis and encephalitis, a rare but not completely uncommon complication of that disease and other seemingly “harmless” childhood diseases like the Measles. He nearly died and spent over a month in the hospital recovering, confined to a wheel chair for a time for a lot of that time while he had to re-learn how to walk and speak and feed himself, do the things that most normal 12 year olds take for granted.

I also remember my mother telling me about Polio outbreaks when she was a child in the early 1930’s and how scary it was, how she was kept home from school, how she was kept indoors and away from her friends during an outbreak. She had a cousin who contracted Polio and ended up in an iron lung and died a few short years later, and that one of her class mates contracted it and never walked again. Thank God for Jonas Salk and thank God for his vaccine and for God giving him the brains and intelligence to come up with it, and thank God that by the time I was born in 1961, Polio was no longer a threat.

This argument is really not between us - what we’re really doing is playing to an audience. However, unlike you, I don’t have “tax dollars” to support my postings. So I have to cut this short. Besides what I’ve already said, the following should help interested readers to dig deeper into this ocean of deadly lies.

So remember, Readers, vaccines are a trillion dollar industry, based on injecting known poisons into babies. Even the vaccine supporters admit this. What they argue, however, is that when they calculate how much poison to inject into babies, it’s safe. In fact, their poison is actually beneficial. That’s the entirety of what they call their “sound medical argument.”

As if that’s not bad enough, however, the rest of what they want involves guns in the hands of SWAT teams to take your child away from you, arrest you and shoot you dead if you resist, in order to ensure that these safe poisons are injected into every human being.

And why do they need to do this to everybody, if their vaccines work? You see, you don’t even understand medicine. These are special vaccines, just like they are special poisons. These vaccines don’t just “work.” They are collective vaccines. They only work if everyone has them, and that way, no one can be a carrier of a disease that might threaten everyone who has a vaccination. But, you say, if people are vaccinated, then what does it matter if they are exposed? And again, you don’t understand. Vaccines don’t actually stop disease - oh no. Vaccines are a way you can get rid of carriers for disease, by vaccinating them. You see? Then everyone is vaccinated, and no one is a carrier. And then - there will be no more disease on planet Earth, because no one will be a carrier.

Except if someone does get sick, then the entire planet has to get vaccinated again, at gunpoint, as babies, otherwise you hate your children and you are a menace to society.

Oh and one more thing - no vaccine is guaranteed to protect any particular person. Don’t be silly! That’s impossible!

Now do you understand medical science a little better? The kind that gets listed in PubMed? Like this other guy who got listed in PubMed. His name is Peter Singer. He’s one of the established scientists that came up with the theories that vaccinations are based on. It goes like this: government and corporations need to decide who is useful, and who is not, and then the useless people need to die. That’s right, that’s the whole thing - official medical science, in PubMed.

And don’t make the mistake of reading anything outside of PubMed - those people are all quacks. Even the MDs - doesn’t matter. All of them. And you know what needs to happen to them, right? The same thing that has to happen to the global warming deniers. real, true, verified, established and accepted science as bought and paid for in the highest courts, must be protected at all costs.

Because without that absolute control, ignorant people will challenge things they can never understand - things like limiting thresholds, and term definitions and acceptable statistics, and publishing standards and entry fees and stakeholder preferences - all the things that differentiate between what should be allowed to be read, and what should be burned. THAT is PROFESSIONAL medical science.

For the children (TM).

Peter Singer and 'lives not worth living' (from: Singer Peter. Bioethics and academic freedom. Bioethics. 1990 Jan;4(1):33–44. [PubMed])

How American Vaccine Court Works (For Pharma and Govt, Not Victims)

Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and Effective Drugs - Harvard University Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics Journal of Law, Medicine and Ethics Vol. 14, No. 3 (2013)

Vaccination Liberation

The Vaccination Racket

Mann vs. Steyn: The Trial of the Century

How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations

This argument is really not between us - what we’re really doing is playing to an audience. However, unlike you, I don’t have “tax dollars” to support my postings. So I have to cut this short. Besides what I’ve already said, the following should help interested readers to dig deeper into this ocean of deadly lies.

All I can say about your post is that it brings into serious question your sanity. But that's not unexpected--I have never seen a situation where someone who immerses themselves in pseudoscience and conspiracy theories is a rational thinker.

I also think it somewhat ironic that the only reference you can find in a medical database is by Peter Singer--a man who ideologically embraces the entire philosophy of the anti-vaccination fear mongers. Anti-vaxxers don't openly state their motives, but want as many children to die of preventable diseases as possible, while Peter Singer is completely open about wanting to kill off children. They make a perfect match.

Not that I think that you are capable of understanding, but I will point out that if profit were the only motive behind pushing vaccines, we actually would not have vaccines. There is a heck of a lot of profit in letting people get sick--doctor visits, prescriptions, hospitalizations, ICUs, caskets, funerals--that is being lost because of cheap, safe, and effective vaccines. Every time someone gets sick with a preventable disease, the epidemiological investigation alone costs thousands... I bet that irresponsible kid who exposed all of those people to measles has netted millions for everyone who is involved with the investigation and quarantine effort.

Finally, once again, you prove yourself incapable of providing any references describing actual medical research to support your ludicrous claims about vaccines. Whale.to? Seriously? Pseudoscience websites NEVER make good references.

All I can say about your post is that it brings into serious question your sanity. But that's not unexpected--I have never seen a situation where someone who immerses themselves in pseudoscience and conspiracy theories is a rational thinker.

LOL, of course my sanity is in question. I'm actually DISAGREEING with you! And besides, isn't that the age-old Soviet and Chinese Communist insane asylum solution for people who disagree? I mean, you've actually spent time telling me what I am supposed to obey. You've made it clear that my positions will not be tolerated. You have checked with your coven and you lodge and your corporate support to make sure you are indemnified. So what's left?

Sanity slander - and if at all possible, an insane asylum.

For my own good, of course, and the safety of the children and families everywhere.

Your murderous arrogance is as foul as hell itself.

Anti-vaxxers don't openly state their motives, but want as many children to die of preventable diseases as possible, while Peter Singer is completely open about wanting to kill off children. They make a perfect match.

People demanding vaccine changes and oversight and answers are constantly stating their motives - SAFETY. YOU, on the other hand, are slandering them vilely while denying your own words as they leave your mouth. YOU are making these lying claims, not some vague third party implicatory source - YOU. What a hypocritical and cowardly slander!

For the truth is that PRO-vaccine people refuse to admit ANY deaths or harms, literally re-writing medical standards and laws in order to evade statistics that prove them wrong. PRO-vaccine people want people with guns to force chilren to receive poison that they refuse to take ANY responsibility for. PRO-vaccine people push vaccines FOR the profit motive because vaccines MAKE PEOPLE SICK. That's WHY "vaccine courts" were created - to HIDE this massive fraud. And because SO MANY people are harmed by vaccines that it would FLOOD the normal courts with lawsuits - which would be heard in the light of day, instead of closed and secret chambers.

Like I said, you're utterly shameless. I've posted what I needed to post to inform people about learning of the risk to their lives - and you and yours will continue to poison and sicken and kill as many millions as possible while raking in trillions in profits, all in the name of saving them, until you are stopped.

You don't consider me sane? Fine.

I don't consider you human.

Pseudoscience websites NEVER make good references.

And what is pseudoscience? Anything that disagrees with YOU.

And what is legitimate? PubMed! Except for Peter Singer, the advocate of murdering millions and calling them acceptable statistical adjustments, just like vaccine courts call the injuries and deaths form vaccines.

Yeah. Except for Peter Singer, who is accepted in PubMed under BIOETHICS, well, PubMed is fine. Except for him. Nobody else. Everyone else is a damn QUACK. Including MDs who publich anywhere that pharmamed doesn't approve of. Because experience and degrees don't matter - because there are NO locked out places for the voices of truth. Pharaceutical companies would be the FIRST ONES to allow the publication of findings from MDs who disagree with them.

First.Ones.

So pay no attention to the arguments, the evidence, the facts, the credentials of the writers or your own stupid brains - pay attention ONLY to the sources PRO-vaccine "people" (and I use that term loosely) approve of.

Or YOU are INSANE.

” I’ve had all my ‘childhood diseases’ as an adult.”

Question...were you vaccinated?

God gave you a brain. Can you at least try to use it?

And what is pseudoscience? Anything that disagrees with YOU.

What makes something pseudoscience is not whether I "agree" with it. Agreement is completely irrelevant. The defining feature of pseudoscience is that it has absolutely no scientific evidence to back it up--not a single experiment, no observations, nothing. Those who push pseudoscience typically use big words that sound like scientific words, but they utter only nonsense--and their main goal is to control your behavior and get you to buy their worthless books and useless "supplements." They don't care about you, they just want your money.

You want to convince me of something? Show me the evidence. That shouldn't be hard, if the evidence supports your claim. You have yet to show any evidence, or even any understanding of what evidence is. When I have asked you to provide evidence for your wild claims, you have gone off the deep end, spouting paranoid conspiracy theories that are barely even coherent. I am not being facetious when I say that I doubt your sanity.

I don’t know for sure. If so, it didn’t work. Certainly not for chicken pox. I’ve had it four times.

I know, I know, they say you can’t get chicken pox more than once. You can! Every time I get it the doc says the prior diagnosis was wrong. Then I remind he that *he* made the call. LOL

When I was a child I had measles, the 2 week variety. In my early teens I had them again. This too ‘can’t’ happen. And no, we did not have vaccinations for any of this stuff then...too long ago :)

You want to convince me of something? Show me the evidence. That shouldn't be hard, if the evidence supports your claim. You have yet to show any evidence, or even any understanding of what evidence is. When I have asked you to provide evidence for your wild claims, you have gone off the deep end, spouting paranoid conspiracy theories that are barely even coherent. I am not being facetious when I say that I doubt your sanity.

No, you're not being facetious - you're lying, with malice aforethought, for pay.

I gave you evidence, from MDs no less. You rejected it because it wasn't approved by the sources you approve of, which you approve of literally because the pharmaceutical companies approve of them. LOL.

And when I point out that your sacred PubMed publishes crap from someone pushing mass murder, well, that simply doesn't matter to you, and it certainly casts no aspersions of the sacredness of PubMed. LOL. And of course those vaccine courts are... irrelevent. LOL.

And then you attack my sanity? What an absolutely monstrous thing to say - literally in the footsteps of totalitarian monsters throughout history, as I pointed out.

You're a mercenary paid for your savagery. And you're hardly unique or even surprising. In fact, in this current world, you're quite common - a word that fits you rather well in a number of respects, I think.

Here's some more reading material for our viewers. (Oh, lemme guess - it's quackery, right? What a surprise! LOLOL!)

Vaccine Industry Watchdog Obtains CDC Documents That Show Statistically Significant Risks of Autism Associated with Vaccine Preservative Thimerosal

Oh yeah, shouldn’t you be spelling your screen name:

XDemMom?

Or is that too tempting for the unwashed to ponder?

It must be so hard to be so special around such... lessers.

LOL!

I gave you evidence, from MDs no less. You rejected it because it wasn't approved by the sources you approve of, which you approve of literally because the pharmaceutical companies approve of them. LOL.

No, you still have not provided any evidence whatsoever. Instead, you posted links to a slew of crackpot websites, all of which are known to engage in various kinds of deception. There are a variety of tactics that they use to dupe people. One is that they cherry-pick from real medical research reports, taking actual quotes that they twist to say things the actual authors of the reports never said or intended to say. Another is the conspiracy-mongering, which is just pure nutjobbery. They openly lie, making incredible claims that, honestly, a blind recluse would immediately recognize as bunk.

I've told you how to find and access medical research reports so that you can read them for yourself. Other than looking for something published by Peter Singer, have you bothered doing a keyword search on, for example, "measles vaccine safety and efficacy studies"? Since those pseudoscience mongers love to reference scientific articles (to hide the fact that they're pulling everything out of their rear ends), have you actually looked up and read any of those references for yourself to see what they really say?

And when I point out that your sacred PubMed publishes crap from someone pushing mass murder, well, that simply doesn't matter to you, and it certainly casts no aspersions of the sacredness of PubMed. LOL. And of course those vaccine courts are... irrelevent. LOL.

PubMed is not a publisher. It is a searchable database. The publisher of that article by Peter Singer is Journal of Medical Ethics. PubMed does not pick and choose articles from the medical journals that it indexes. It is like a library or Google--it contains all of the information, but the reader chooses which information to access.

And then you attack my sanity? What an absolutely monstrous thing to say - literally in the footsteps of totalitarian monsters throughout history, as I pointed out.

Yes, I do question your sanity. There is something wrong when a person rabidly supports openly dishonest conmen, but attacks those who try to point out (with evidence) that the conmen are dishonest. It is also not sane to interpret lack of evidence as being incontrovertible proof.

BTW, if children were really dying like flies from being vaccinated, don't you think I'd see more funerals going on at the funeral home I drive by every day? Don't you think that people would notice these high numbers of deaths? What explains the fact that over 95% of children have been vaccinated and the death rates are historically lower than ever before? Heck, if vaccines kill, then how is it that I am alive and typing right now?

You're a mercenary paid for your savagery. And you're hardly unique or even surprising. In fact, in this current world, you're quite common - a word that fits you rather well in a number of respects, I think.

Right. I wish I could be paid for the time I spend posting medical information on FreeRepublic. Even though I perform this public service on my own time, I am as careful to provide accurate information as I do for the work I am paid for. You have yet to fact check anything I have posted and prove it wrong or deceptive.

Vaccine Industry Watchdog Obtains CDC Documents That Show Statistically Significant Risks of Autism Associated with Vaccine Preservative Thimerosal

The "MD" quoted in this article, Brian Hooker, is a well-known quack, who has no credibility in the medical community. When thousands of people earn an MD every year, you have to expect that a couple of bad apples will slip through. He is one of them.

And why do they need to do this to everybody, if their vaccines work? You see, you don’t even understand medicine. These are special vaccines, just like they are special poisons. These vaccines don’t just “work.” They are collective vaccines. They only work if everyone has them, and that way, no one can be a carrier of a disease that might threaten everyone who has a vaccination. But, you say, if people are vaccinated, then what does it matter if they are exposed? And again, you don’t understand. Vaccines don’t actually stop disease - oh no. Vaccines are a way you can get rid of carriers for disease, by vaccinating them. You see? Then everyone is vaccinated, and no one is a carrier. And then - there will be no more disease on planet Earth, because no one will be a carrier.

Why bless your heart.

Here’s your sign

In all seriousness, there are tons of articles both scholarly and for the layman that I could post that would explain to you how and why vaccines work but it would be a waste of time since it’s evident that you won’t read them. FWIW, I don’t think you are stupid in general. But I think you are stupid when it comes to understanding modern medicine and it and how science works. You’ve chosen to wear blinders and instead choose to believe in pseudo science, the very same type of pseudo science you rail against when it comes to politically based global warming and population control, etc. But the science of vaccinations well pre-dates all of that and contrary to your alarmist and wild conspiracy theories and unfounded claims, it has no political agenda and is well founded and supported by actual evidence.

But perhaps some images will make the point:

Before the polio vaccine:

When was the last time you knew of a kid who was confined to a wheel chair or in an iron lung because of Polio?

Measles deaths before and after vaccinations:

Here's some more reading material for our viewers. (Oh, lemme guess - it's quackery, right? What a surprise! LOLOL!)

Yes, that website is complete quackery. They are hawking their coconut oil and their books promoting it as a cure for Alzheimer’s and just about everything else that ails you including heart disease, viruses, bacteria, diabetes, hair loss and HIV/AIDS. They might as well be selling snake oil. Are you also so dense that you answer those Nigerian email scams too?

Marianita Jader Shilhavy, CND (Certified Nutritionist/Dietician in the Philippines) earned her bachelor of science degree in nutrition at Centro Escolar University in Manila. Understanding the nutrition of Filipino foods, Marianita worked for over eight years as a hospital dietician and nutritional counselor in the Philippines, using her knowledge of Asian foods to help people recover from illness.

Brian W. Shilhavy, BA, MA

Brian earned his Bachelor of Arts degree in Bible/Greek from Moody Bible Institute in Chicago, and his Master of Arts degree in linguistics from Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago. He is currently the CEO of Tropical Traditions, Inc.

In 1998 Marianita and Brian returned to the Philippines with their three children and renovated the old family farmhouse. By this time the coconut industry was severely depressed due to the negative U.S. campaigns against tropical oils in the 1980s and 1990s. Coconut farmers could no longer support their families on the income generated from harvesting coconuts. They are the authors of the Tropical Traditions best-selling book, Virgin Coconut Oil: How it has changed people's lives, and how it can change yours!, with over 80,000 copies in print.

Sure, they have only your best interests at heart and your health in mind. It has absolute nothing at all to do with the severely depressed coconut farming industry in the Philippines after they made the poor decision to buy a farm there and found that hawking books making false health claims was actually more profitable than farming. And FWIW, registered dieticians are some of the weirdest and the least scientific minded people I’ve ever met. And a person with a BA in Bible/Greek and an MA in linguistics is not exactly someone I would go to for medical advice. I’m not even sure what I would go a person with BA in Bible/Greek and an MA in linguistics for except to perhaps translate some ancient Greek texts for me.

Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and Effective Drugs - Harvard University Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics Journal of Law, Medicine and Ethics Vol. 14, No. 3 (2013)

That link directed me to the website of a rock band; The Refusers – “The Refusers are a high-energy rock band that performs rousing protest songs tinged with humor, satire and biting lyrics. Their music is powered by growling guitar, pounding drums, slapping bass and catchy hooks that blend elements of rock, funk and reggae into a sound that is hard-driving, accessible, informative, and addictive.”

Well that sure was convincing. I always formulate my opinions on science and medicine based on “growling guitar, pounding drums, slapping bass and catchy hooks” / s.

Not to mention that their music really sucks big time. I’d be more persuaded by U2 if they came out with an anti-vaccination song because at least they still make some good music. ; ),

OK, it’s not exactly U2 but it makes a much better point and is more factual than any of the songs by The Refusers and is much more musical to boot!

The Vaccine Song