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To: who_would_fardels_bear

RE: There was one interesting point that the essayist brought up that wasn’t fully explored. It is the concept that every heterosexual marriage, even those that don’t follow all of scripture, are in some way acceptable to God. If this is the case, then Christian wedding vendors are within their rights to deny services to gays and not look too deeply into the specifics of heterosexuals who seek their services.

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The problem I see with the author’s argument is she IGNORES the Biblical definition of MARRIAGE itself.

Granted that there are marriages frowned upon by scripture, however such marriages are RECOGNIZED as marriages... just nor ideal ones. For instance, the Apostle Paul does not tell the Christian woman married to an unbelieving man to divorce him simply because of his unbelief. He asks her to STAY with him and pray for him and through her character, influence him to believe. THUS, such marriage is still considered a MARRIAGE. Not ideal, but a marriage nonetheless.

However, Jesus, when he talked about marriage, never considers same-sex relationships to be marriage.

In response to a question about divorce, this is what Jesus said...

“Haven’t you read,” He replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” ( Matthew 19:4-6)

With this, Jesus recognized marriage as TAUGHT by the Torah, to be between a man and a woman, not between people of two similar sexes.

So, a Christian refusing to service a “marriage” that by his belief in scripture is not considered one, is not being inconsistent with servicing a non-ideal matrimony between a believer and unbeliever. Why? Because the latter is recognized and allowed for by scripture ( albeit, not ideal ).


18 posted on 02/23/2014 12:09:54 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

—However, Jesus, when he talked about marriage, never considers same-sex relationships to be marriage.

When we taught marriage preparation a priest once told us Jesus could have come in any time and in any social construct. He chose to come to mankind in the shelter of the Holy Family - a man and a woman. This choice affirms the definition.

Consider also that a Marriage was the first of Jesus’ miracles.

God is very interested and present in marriage and the creation of new life and want us to affirm it.


30 posted on 02/23/2014 12:29:34 PM PST by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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To: SeekAndFind

Also, a man and a woman in an unsanctified marriage could still both theoretically repent and remain in the marriage. The two members of a sodomite “marriage” could never do that.


34 posted on 02/23/2014 12:33:49 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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