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A Live-and-Let-Live Law: Arizona's Law Promotes Tolerance, Not only for Gays, but for All
National Review ^ | 02/25/2014 | The Editors

Posted on 02/25/2014 1:36:53 PM PST by SeekAndFind

In response to a number of lawsuits in which such providers of wedding-related services as bakers and photographers have been threatened with conscription into participating in same-sex ceremonies to which they object on religious grounds, Arizona’s state legislature has adopted a law under which businesses that decline to provide such services will enjoy protection.

It is perhaps unfortunate that it has come to this, but organized homosexuality, a phenomenon that is more about progressive pieties than gay rights per se, remains on the permanent offensive in the culture wars. Live-and-let-live is a creed that the gay lobby specifically rejects: The owner of the Masterpiece Cakeshop in Colorado was threatened with a year in jail for declining to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding. New Mexico photographer Elaine Huguenin was similarly threatened for declining to photograph a same-sex wedding. It is worth noting that neither the baker nor the photographer categorically refuses services to homosexuals; birthday cakes and portrait photography were both on the menu. The business owners specifically objected to participating in a civic/religious ceremony that violated their own consciences.

And the so-called liberals answer: “To hell with your consciences.”

In T. H. White’s The Once and Future King, the nature of totalitarianism is captured in the motto “Everything not forbidden is compulsory.” Gay marriage has made the sprint from forbidden to compulsory in record time; the day before yesterday, a homosexual marriage was a legal impossibility — and today it is a crime to sit one out.

Gay Americans, like many members of minority groups, are poorly served by their self-styled leadership. Like feminists and union bosses, the leaders of the nation’s gay organizations suffer from oppression envy, likening their situation to that of black Americans — as though having to find a gay-friendly wedding planner (pro tip: try swinging a dead cat) were the moral equivalent of having spent centuries in slavery and systematic oppression under Jim Crow. Their goal is not toleration or even equal rights but official victim-group status under law and in civil society, allowing them to use the courts and other means of official coercion to impose their own values upon those who hold different values.

Which is to say, what is regrettable here is not Arizona’s law but the machinations that have made it necessary. It seems unlikely that those religious bakers and photographers were chosen at random, or that their antagonists will stop until such diversity of opinion as exists about the subject of gay marriage has been put under legal discipline.

One of the defects of our civil-rights law is the overly broad concept of “public accommodation,” which has been expanded to include virtually every business that is open to the public. But a business is not public property; it is private property. People of good will ought to allow fairly broad leeway for how people conduct their own lives and their own business — private autonomy is, after all, a large part of the case for gay rights. If gay leaders were willing to extend to those who do not share their views the same tolerance to which they feel themselves entitled, then a modus vivendi could emerge through the healthful operations of civil society. Those who do not wish to participate in gay weddings or other events could decline to do so — and those who believe them to be bigots could take their business elsewhere. In fact, one protester of the Arizona law has precisely the right idea: Outraged by the passage of this bill, a pizza-shop operator hung a sign in his door announcing that members of the state legislature were personae non gratae in his establishment. That, and not the micromanagement of secular divines in black robes, is the way to sort out this kind of social controversy.

It is our hope that the people of Arizona will treat their gay fellow citizens with decency and respect. It also is our hope that they will be repaid in kind. Insofar as legal intervention is required in the matter, the need for legislative preemption of judicial coercion is an unhappy fact, and the Arizona legislature is right to act on it.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; tolerance

1 posted on 02/25/2014 1:36:53 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Surprise surprise the Gay Lobby lies.


2 posted on 02/25/2014 1:44:39 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They are wasting bytes. I know Jan Brewer and there isn’t a chance in hell she will sign it.


3 posted on 02/25/2014 1:45:52 PM PST by montag813
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To: SeekAndFind

The NRO gets one right, about time.

Saint Mandela weeps.


4 posted on 02/25/2014 1:47:52 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: montag813

You are correct. Catch today’s sound bite from her? “I want to look at this carefully and listen to all sides.” As if she just heard about it this morning. How stupid does she think we are?


5 posted on 02/25/2014 1:49:05 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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6 posted on 02/25/2014 1:59:15 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: montag813
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Gov. Jan Brewer may not sign the bill into law (as she should).


However, the "big" news today about this is that the NFL is presumably threatening to cancel a forthcoming Arizona Superbowl if Gov. Brewer signs the bill.



Let me say this:

I've purchased my "last" NFL ticket, sports gear item, whatever.

FOREVER.

That $$$ message $$$ should be echoed by 50-million American Christians to those clearly FUBAR-minded clowns running the NFL.


Let's see how long those million-dollar Super Bowl TV-commercial advertising rates last (LOL).



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7 posted on 02/25/2014 2:10:54 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

If I watched or cared about the NFL, I would boycott the organization.


8 posted on 02/25/2014 2:21:39 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: SeekAndFind
A Live-and-Let-Live Law: Arizona's Law Promotes Tolerance, Not only for Gays, but for All

They lie. There is NO, NONE, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH tolerance for those who choose to follow their faith. It's being shoved down their throats by the "tolerant" ones. B*stards

9 posted on 02/25/2014 2:35:37 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (www.greenhornshooting.com - Firearms training in Jacksonville, Fl.)
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To: SeekAndFind; TigersEye; GeorgiaDawg32

I made this comment on another thread, but I think Christians in AZ need to be prepared. When Brewer vetoes this bill, homosexuals will target Christian businesses in an attempt to ruin them.

They have the option of civil disobedience and suffering for their faith, which is a sound option.

Or, they could accept the business, contract it out to people who do not object to homosexual “marriage”, and donate any profit to their own church or to a Christian charity (maybe one that works to help homosexuals repent and change!). Of course, they should also pray for their enemies, as God commands.


10 posted on 02/25/2014 2:51:59 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: SeekAndFind

The left will lose this fight. They are stupid enough to call them Jim Crow laws which, of course, they supported in the past being racist Dem pigs and now lie about them.

Jim Crow laws FORCED business NOT to sell to blacks, not the other way around.


11 posted on 02/25/2014 2:56:16 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: montag813

You’re right. Brewer is a fraud.

If I owned a bakery and I was forced to make a gay against my religious convictions, everyone at the reception would come down with a bad case of diarrhea.

Personally, if I owned a bakery I’d sell cakes to anyone who had money.


12 posted on 02/25/2014 3:56:58 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: SeekAndFind

bm


13 posted on 02/25/2014 4:30:48 PM PST by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Of course, they should also pray for their enemies, as God commands.

They could also do this in the cake decoration
and while they are photographing.
They are allowed to pray....aren’t they?
They can put scripture in their design and decoration...
can’t they?

Or can they???


14 posted on 02/25/2014 4:37:51 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
I've purchased my "last" NFL ticket, sports gear item, whatever. FOREVER.

I briefly stopped after the NFL blocked Rush Limbaugh from owning a piece of the Rams.

I stopped for good after they banned a pro-gun ad during the Super Bowl, while allowing an anti-gun one.

15 posted on 02/25/2014 8:52:25 PM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

I’m with you and I’ll cancel the NFL Ticket I pay a lot for...when Muslims allow same-sex marriages in their mosques then we’ll talk.

Until then, no cakes, no photos and no wedding dresses for gays from Christians.


16 posted on 02/25/2014 9:12:40 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: tet68

“They could also do this in the cake decoration
and while they are photographing.
They are allowed to pray....aren’t they?
They can put scripture in their design and decoration...
can’t they?

Or can they???”

Ah, you bring up some interesting points! I wonder if they would be accused of a hate crime for doing that? Now that would open a real can of worms.


17 posted on 02/26/2014 7:41:24 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Live-and-let-live is a creed that the gay lobby specifically rejects”.


No matter how many times one examines the plight of the homosexual, the conclusion always comes out the same:

Plague.


18 posted on 02/26/2014 9:39:56 PM PST by ourworldawry
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To: SeekAndFind
If gay leaders were willing to extend to those who do not share their views the same tolerance to which they feel themselves entitled, then a modus vivendi could emerge through the healthful operations of civil society.

Is this supposed to be comedy?

19 posted on 02/26/2014 9:46:00 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: SeekAndFind

This isn’t, and never was, about civil society. This was, and is, about pure power politics. A firmly entrenched social activism lobby has flexed its muscles and found it good. It will flex them again.


20 posted on 02/26/2014 9:50:43 PM PST by Billthedrill
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