Posted on 03/05/2014 8:39:31 AM PST by Kaslin
Ukraine is not a vital interest of the US. Its a country historically in Russia’s backyard. This is not even Eastern Europe.
People who imagine Russia will sacrifice its interests at the behest of a Western demarche are living in a dream world. We forget its a nuclear superpower.
And if the Bear wants to sit there, how are we going to push him off? The neo faux Cold Warriors have lost all touch with reality.
Was just listening on FOX to some Council on Foreign Relations hack spewing his talking points.
So when they move into Eastern Ukraine, then Western Ukraine and then Poland, will you then get the picture?
If Putin can just keep the appeasing Obama and the feckless EU from taking any military action, then the Soviet Union will rise from the ashes.
Putin has already signaled that Poland and Lithuania are next in line.
But what is anyone going to do about it?
Economic sanctions? And who is ready to enforce them?
And the Chinese are preparing to take back Formosa.
The similarities to what happened in the 1930’s are obvious to anyone except people like Obama, Kerry, Clinton and Hagel.
Who says they are? People are simply guessing.
And no one knows what Putin’s next move on the chessboard will be.
In the meantime, he can count on inevitable Western divisions and time to do the work for him.
Neither Poland and Lithuania want a return to the Soviet. My guess is they’ll fight.
The Crimea, on the other hand...Russians were their grandparents. The same with the Ukraine. I’m betting they become a Putin client state shortly.
Remember the image of Obummer clapping at the Olympic opening ceremony when the hammer and sickle were brought out.
Just think about THAT for a moment.
Hitler was always playing a bigger and longer term game. By acquiring the Sudetenland he took out the very strong defenses the Czech's had along their border with Germany. That made taking the rest of the country a walkover. And having Czechoslovakia's northern border completely outflanked Poland, the next bite of the pie and the final straw for Britain and France. Stalin went along a) because there was really nothing he could do to stop Hitler, and b) being handed the eastern half of a country that was even more troublesome to Russia than it ever was to Germany made for an extremely nice (however temporary) bribe.
We'll have to wait and see if Putin carries through with the rest of the playbook and gobbles up all of the Ukraine and not just the Crimea Peninsula, which is mainly Russian speaking and was, until the 1950's, part of Russia. But with the Crimea dangling out there with no land connection to the Rodina, another WWII analogy comes to mind ... German speaking East Prussia (now part of Poland and then separated from Der Vaterland by a Baltic Sea facing section of Polish territory). Putin may go forward in steps by demanding a Sea of Azov coast corridor.
I'd disagree with that, but so what? It's just semantics. Putin and Crimea is a problem for the Europeans, and we should butt out. But we probably won't.
Poland could very well retake Western Ukraine if the region is threatened by the Russians.
It’s been like a millennium since Poland was ever lucky with its military. Don’t know why but bad karma has always gotten them in one way or another.
I wouldn’t advise they try for even a square mile of the Ukraine. Instead, they should be focused on an inpenetrable ABM shield.
1920.
So if Putin sends tanks and infantry into Poland and Lithuania in order to ensure the safety of Russians and Ukranians from the training bases that Putin claims are there, is there anyone who can or will stop him?
Do these countries have a standing army that can defend against an invasion? Do these countries have Citizen soldiers with sufficient arms to hold off a takeover of their country by a Russian puppet regime?
In the end, the only defense against tyranny is a well armed citizenry.
Any country that takes arms from their citizens is inviting either an invasion or the establishment of a brutal tyranny.
Actually the Polish Special Forces (GROM) kicked considerable a**, and did so quietly and with very little fanfare in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
I agree they would be a tough match for the Russians. Especially since they’ll be more motivated...They’ve been itching for a fight since 1945.
He has a great gift, our secretary of state, that of compressing the greatest amount of words into the smallest amount of thought.
I would have put it the other way round.
A great gift, that of expanding the smallist amount
of thought into the greatest amount of words...
Mourir pour Dantzig?
Yes, indeed, “Why Die for Dantzig” was a rallying cry for French appeasement in 1939. But I’m not sure I can disagree if it is rephrased to say “Why Die for the Crimea?”.
Russians are their grandparents? The 78% of the country that's ethnic Ukrainian? No, actually Russians starved their grandparents killing millions.
Yunukovich promised when he ran that Ukraine would become a client of Europe and not Russia.
Yanuk lied to get elected.
As a result 75% of the reps in Parliament impeached him.
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