ANN COULTER: I'VE NEVER SEEN EVIDENCE GOP HATES BLACK PEOPLE UNTIL I READ RUBIO'S 'AMNESTY' BILL

Breitbart TV ^ | March 8, 2014

[Mr Rogers]

It might be ‘tantamount’ to many things, but not to hating blacks. It could be argued it won’t hurt black unemployment at all. Blacks with a HS or college education are employed already. The blacks with phenomenal unemployment are in the inner city, and many of them lack the desire or attitude of doing work. The high rates of black unemployment are not driven by competitors, but by living in locations without any jobs, by welfare, etc.

And in any case, bringing in inflammatory emotional words to attack someone you can reasonable assume does not have those emotions is NOT making a logical point, but slander.

Your statement, with the dictionary definition tossed in:

“It was a very good point: that if you’re in favor of amnesty, it’s [equivalent in effect] to hating blacks.”

That is not true, or even close to being true. Hating blacks caused many ills in our society, but black unemployment was not one of them.

“From 1900 to 1954, blacks were more active than whites in the labor market. Until about 1960, black male labor force participation in every age group was equal to or greater than that of whites. During that period, black teen unemployment was roughly equal to or less than white teen unemployment. As early as 1900, the duration of black unemployment was 15 percent shorter than that of whites; today it’s about 30 percent longer. To do something about today’s employment picture requires abandonment of sacred cows and honesty...

...I doubt whether anyone would argue that the reason for lower unemployment, higher labor force participation and shorter duration of unemployment among blacks in the first half of the 20th century was that there was less racial discrimination. I also doubt whether anyone would argue that during earlier periods, blacks had higher education and greater skills attainment than whites. Answers must be sought elsewhere.”

http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/04/10/black-unemployment-n1561096

The welfare culture probably has more to do with black unemployment, as does a 70% illegitimacy rate. If amnesty was granted - and I strongly oppose it - it arguably would have no effect on black unemployment. And in any case, discussing it is NOT the functional equivalent to hating blacks.

[kabar]

Blacks with a HS or college education are employed already. The blacks with phenomenal unemployment are in the inner city, and many of them lack the desire or attitude of doing work. The high rates of black unemployment are not driven by competitors, but by living in locations without any jobs, by welfare, etc.

But African-Americans who graduated from high-school did little better. Their 12-month unemployment rate is 26 percent.

White college graduates’ rate is a little lower, at 3.7. The unemployment rate for Hispanic college grads is 5.3 percent, and the unemployment rate for African-American college grades is 6.2 percent.

In contrast, the unemployment rate is 18.9 percent for young people who only graduate from high-school and did not attend any college.

If you’re a high school dropout you’re talking about 30 percent working. Among high school grads who graduated from high school in the last three years — we do a separate survey of them the fall after graduation — 45 percent of them held a job, the lowest in the last 50 years we’ve been collecting this data. And to make it worse, of that 45 percent, only half of them were able to get a full-time job. Only one in five young high school grads, not in college, [is] working full-time.

Location matters, but where do you think most blacks live?

As early as 1900, the duration of black unemployment was 15 percent shorter than that of whites; today it’s about 30 percent longer. To do something about today’s employment picture requires abandonment of sacred cows and honesty...

Yes, honesty about what immigration is doing to our unskilled labor force. Since the 1965 Immigration Act, we have been bringing in millions of workers to compete with native Americans. The result is lost jobs and depressed wages. In 1970 one in 21 in this country was foreign born; today it is one in 8 the highest in more than 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history. There are 22 million immigrants in the work force, 8 million of them illegal. If we really had a shortage of labor, wages would be going up, not down.

There is good research indicating that immigration negatively impacts native employment. Borjas, Grogger, and Hanson in a 2010 article found that immigration reduces the employment of less-educated black men and increases their rate of incarceration. Their conclusions are similar to that of a 2010 academic study by Shihadeh and Barranco, which found that "Latino immigration raises black violence by first increasing black unemployment." These findings are supported by earlier work done by Kposowa, which also showed that immigration reduced black employment.

Other academic studies have also found that immigration reduces job opportunities for natives. In its 1997 study of California, the Rand Corporation concluded that in that state alone competition with immigrants for jobs caused between 128,200 and 194,000 native-born workers in the state to withdraw from the workforce. A more recent analysis by Federal Reserve economist Christopher Smith found that immigration reduces the employment of U.S.-born teenagers. This is consistent with work by Andrew Sum, Harrington, and Khatiwada showing that immigration has a significant negative impact on the employment of younger workers. The recently published Congressional Budget Office cost estimate for the Gang of Eight immigration bill (S.744), indicates that just the increases in legal immigration in the bill will increase unemployment by about 150,000 through the year 2020.

Although there is evidence that immigration reduces employment opportunities for natives, there remains a debate among economists about the extent of the job displacement. Putting aside the research, the dramatic decline in work among natives, and the enormous increase in the number not working, even before the recession, is strong evidence that labor is not in short supply in the United States.

The number of natives with no more than high school education (18 to 65) not working is 4.9 million larger in 2013 than in 2000, the number with some college not working is up 6.8 million over this time period, and the number with at least a bachelor's degree not working is up 3.8 million. (See Table 5.) As is the case when examined by age, it is very difficult to find any evidence of a labor shortage, no matter what educational group is examined.

Workers in their teens and 20s have seen their employment rates fall the most. For those in their 20s, this is true for all education levels. Even college graduates in their 20s have seen a significant decline in their rate of employment, a decline that was going on before the recession. (See Table 6.) This decline in work for those under age 30 is consistent with the possibility that immigration is playing an important role in reducing the employment of natives. Immigrants are new entrants into the labor market and most people begin their working life in their teens and 20s. One would expect that if immigration is reducing the job prospects of natives, then it would be most likely to impact younger workers. Older workers who are more established in the labor market are less likely to be impacted by new arrivals.

If amnesty was granted - and I strongly oppose it - it arguably would have no effect on black unemployment.

Nonsense. Legalizing 11.5 million (USG estimate) people, giving them work permits and and SSNs, would hurt all low skilled Americans. And these 11.5 million would be able to bring in tens of millions of their relatives thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification. Over 50% of the illegal aliens lack even a HS degree.

And in any case, discussing it is NOT the functional equivalent to hating blacks.

Pure sophistry. Passing amnesty and more than doubling legal permanent immigration along with doubling the number of guest workers annually will add close to 40 million new workers over the next 10 years. We graduate 4 million from High School annually or 40 million over the next decade. If you understand the damage this will do to American workers in terms of jobs and wages, then how can you not say that this is a form of hatred for those who suffer the greatest damage from such policies?

[stocksthatgoup]

So will Ann be promoting Romney again?

[GOPJ]

That is not true, or even close to being true. Hating blacks caused many ills in our society, but black unemployment was not one of them.

Blacks had higher employment rates under Jim Crow... If welfare and 'disability' were totally stopped, would you feel the same way? And yeah, if the current currency wars and QE slowdowns aren't handled perfectly, disability and welfare will end... And we returned to a time when people had to work to eat... would you feel the same about bringing in millions of people to compete for the jobs we have?

[Mr Rogers]

“The number of natives with no more than high school education (18 to 65) not working is 4.9 million larger in 2013 than in 2000”

Any native in America without a HS education is likely to end up on welfare because they already proved they lack the ambition to get a HS diploma.

“But African-Americans who graduated from high-school did little better. Their 12-month unemployment rate is 26 percent.”

Black unemployment rates for 20 and older runs 13.5% for men and 9.6 for women. Since both have black skin, if it is blackness that is the problem, why do black men have 40% greater unemployment than black women?

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm

And unless blacks are turning out incredible numbers of college grads, the black unemployment rate is NOT 26% for High School grads.

[BfloGuy]

Hyperbole? Sure. Fine. Just don’t trust her. Verify everything. Expect a hidden agenda.

I do not disagree with you on that.

[xzins]

What I said, if you bothered to read it, was that Rubio was dead wrong on amnesty. However, that doesn’t mean he hates black people. I also said that the manner in which Coulter said that Rubio hates black people was subtle but fairly evident.

When I used the same method on you, you appear to have taken umbrage at it. (Which you should have. It’s dirty pool.)

[kabar]

However, that doesn’t mean he hates black people.

Ann Coulter did not say Rubio hates black people. She said, "I mean my whole life I've heard Republicans hate black people, I've never seen any evidence of it until I read Marco Rubio's amnesty bill. We are the party that has always stood up for African-Americans.Who gets hurt the most by amnesty, by continuing these immigration policies it is low-wage workers, it is hispanics, it is blacks."

When I used the same method on you, you appear to have taken umbrage at it. (Which you should have. It’s dirty pool.)

I didn't take umbrage at it. In fact, using your logic, my dislike of the Rubio amnesty bill should prove that I love blacks and Hispanics.

[xzins]

But Coulter attacks Hispanics every chance she gets providing evidence that she hates them, and you defend her.

[kabar]

Any native in America without a HS education is likely to end up on welfare because they already proved they lack the ambition to get a HS diploma.

So what do you with this human debris, put them on welfare? And why are we bringing in annually hundreds of thousands of legal permanent immigrants who lack a HS degree?

You conveniently don't address the other statistics, i.e., the number with some college not working is up 6.8 million over this time period, and the number with at least a bachelor's degree not working is up 3.8 million.

Are they also lacking ambition?

Black unemployment rates for 20 and older runs 13.5% for men and 9.6 for women. Since both have black skin, if it is blackness that is the problem, why do black men have 40% greater unemployment than black women?

First, these are U-3 rates (not seasonally adjusted.) The U-3 unemployment rates for blacks of both sexes (age 16-19) is 31.5%. I am sure this includes some HS graduates, i.e., you graduate HS at 17 or 18 normally. And black males would be worse than black females.

When you look at the U-6 ratesit is 13.1% for all workers (not seasonally adjusted.)

Black unemployment rate is consistently twice that of whites

Black females have higher education levels than black males and they have a lower participation rate in the workforce. Immigrants are competing more for jobs held by black males since the majority of immigrants are males, especially illegal aliens.

And unless blacks are turning out incredible numbers of college grads, the black unemployment rate is NOT 26% for High School grads.

I didn't make the number up. Check it out yourself

I also recommend you look at this PBS interview with Dr. Andrew Sum, a renowed expert on youth employment in the US.

And unless blacks are turning out incredible numbers of college grads, the black unemployment rate is NOT 26% for High School grads.

Senate Report: Greater educational attainment alone cannot solve the youth unemployment crisis. Even with high levels of education, young minority workers not enrolled in school have distressingly high rates of unemployment. In April [2010,] the unemployment rate for young black high school graduates (16 to 24 years old )not enrolled in school was 34.9 percent, compared to 24.6 percent for all young high school graduates not in school. For young black college graduates, the unemployment rate of 15.8 percent was almost double the overall unemployment rate for all young college graduate s. While lower than the unemployment rate of 60.0 percent for young black workers with no high school diploma, unemployment rates of 34.9 percent and 15.8 percent are unacceptably high.

A new study shows a disheartening reality for African-Americans without a high school diploma. According to an online analysis of unemployment data by Remapping Debate, more than half of all male African-American high school dropouts are unemployed.

While still staggeringly high, the unemployment rate for Blacks who graduated from high school is almost half that of high school dropouts, at 26 percent. That number is almost four times the national average.

“This is an emergency, this is a catastrophe [but Washington is] not rating it as a catastrophe,” said the site’s editor, Craig Gurian, told The Daily Caller.

[kabar]

But Coulter attacks Hispanics every chance she gets providing evidence that she hates them, and you defend her.

You will have to be more specific. I know of no example where she attacks Hispanics "every chance she gets."

[xzins]

Cruz is Hispanic.

Rubio is Hispanic.

Diatribe after diatribe for years now attacking Hispanics.

They might be illegal, but they’re still Hispanic.

So, why defend an Hispanic Hater!

[Mr Rogers]

A great many unemployed blacks are unemployed because they have a welfare culture. Bringing in Mexicans won’t change that culture.

Many black men are unemployed because they are in prison.

And no, I do not believe the 26% unemployment figure, not when the overall rate per the BLS is 13%.

I am opposed to raising immigration rates and to amnesty, but I do not believe:

A) That it will seriously affect the black unemployment rate, and

B) That Rubio is a racist, and that his policies are the functional equivalent of Jim Crow.

Coulter is probably trying to help someone like Jeb Bush, and I’m tired of Bushes.

[kabar]

Now you are being silly.

[xzins]

We’ve discussed on and off for years on FR, Kabar.

Sometimes silly with a FRiend is the right answer. I value FRiends.

We’ve each probably made our points.

[kabar]

A great many unemployed blacks are unemployed because they have a welfare culture. Bringing in Mexicans won’t change that culture.

Bring in Mexicans adds to that culture. They are using welfare to a much higher degree than the native born. We are creating a permanent underclass that is more dependent upon big government. And these two groups are the fastest growing in the country.

Many black men are unemployed because they are in prison.

And that skews the data even more. Black Male Unemployment and High School Graduate Rates are Worse Than the Statistics Say

And no, I do not believe the 26% unemployment figure, not when the overall rate per the BLS is 13%.

The 13% is the U-3 rate and it is for 20 and above. Again, go to the links I provided. The BLS figures are not all inclusive. And do you believe unemployment is only 6.7% in this country per BLS? The BLS has very little credibility after they admitted adjusting the figures prior to November 2012.

A) That it will seriously affect the black unemployment rate, and

It has and it will. Blacks are being displaced by immigrants. So are native born whites and minorities. Since 2000 we have added 25.2 million to our workforce, 16.4 million from the native born and 8.8 million from immigration. So who got the jobs?

mmigrant Gains and Native Losses In the Job Market, 2000 to 2013

B) That Rubio is a racist, and that his policies are the functional equivalent of Jim Crow.

Phony strawman. You don't need no stinkin' facts. You would rather rely on emotion and a fantasy world view like the Dems.