Posted on 03/11/2014 8:08:23 AM PDT by Sopater
I still hold to the “bad apple” theory, in that the vast majority of LEOs are reasonable, within their rules.
Many years ago, somebody got a rude but accurate cop quote, that “the typical cop is like a (homosexual), in that if you (have sex) with him, he’ll (have sex) with you right back, but harder.” So, ahem, reverse ‘golden rule’ with cops. It is their unwritten rules.
Importantly, there are two very critical provisions to this.
The first is that the FBI and DEA both admit that there is considerable abuse of anabolic steroids by police, and combined with high stress levels, this can make a cop an unpredictable time bomb. This is exacerbated by police not wanting to crack down on one of their own.
The second problem is all the other problems combined, to include bribery, gambling, prostitution, narcotics, and good old fashioned mental illness.
But a single cop, or a peer-pressure group of cops reflects on the rest of their department, no matter how many good cops there are.
“If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all.”
-Representative Henry A. Waxman
Yes, Henry, we should all go like sheep to the slaughter.
If even a minor number of CT gun owners put a gallon glass jug of gasoline behind their front doors, who knows how many SWAT teams would be incinerated in their body armor in the course of “kicking down doors”?
So stated Adolf Eichmann. The banality of evil. The ultimate bureaucrat.
It is like the story a couple weeks ago of the junior high school girl forced outside in minus degree temps during a fire alarm at a school. She got frostbite on her feet. No one thinks to cover her up; put her in a car; wait for her to get dressed. No - the rules say we have to do it this way and everyone will comply. There is no room for free thinking, no questioning the orders, the rules.
This cop knows a person who for over 20 years had a certain type of firearm. For 20 years this firearm owner is a law abiding citizen. Then a law makes him a felon overnight. The cop does not question the law. Just enforces it. Never mind the fact the gun owner never caused any problems in his life. The state has now decreed he is a felon and will be treated as such.
Too many dangerous people running around in charge. Dangerous times indeed.
I don't know which party you refer to as having lost perspective. While being a LEO may be at times difficult , that is not an extenuating condition for the profound contempt for the Constitutional Rights of the citizens of Connecticut that Officer Peterson displays. I have had an experience early in my professional life with an officer who believed that I had no rights under the 2nd Amendment. This was more than 30 years ago and in another state. Many, perhaps most police officers in the US have so little moral(as opposed to physical ) courage and are so ignorant of the foundational basis of Constitutional Liberty that they would behave towards gun owners or whoever else is a designated ‘enemy of the state’ such as TEA party members in the same fashion that the French police at all levels behaved towards Jews who were French citizens in World War 2. Those people had a choice and overwhelmingly they chose not just to go through the motions in a slow, inefficient pro forma way to sabotage the Final Solution through through pretended compliance, instead they displayed energetic zeal and a sadistic pleasure in doing all and more than SD directed. After the Nazis were ejected from most of France the same police agencies and frequently the same men acted with the same sadistic zeal in rounding up and incarcerating ‘collaborators’ of various degrees of culpability. What does this say about the mentality of those who fill the ranks of police agencies. That many are craven, power worshiping statist thugs? Perhaps so. In any case, in this small city officer Peterson should be made to feel the sting of public contempt. There is nothing illegal about organizing a public ‘shunning’ campaign in which many of his fellow townsmen will refuse to speak to him, transact business with him or have any social contact with him at all. After a number of persons cross the street to avoid his presence, refuse to acknowledge his greeting or cut him dead in restaurants, churches, and businesses this will have an effect. At West Point it used to be called giving someone ‘The Silence’. The Silence should be employed today on the likes of Peterson and a good many others.
Would that not also endanger everyone inside the house? Would that not also potentially destroy the house?
I thought the goal was to turn back the Gestapo and live to fight another day, not go out in a ‘blaze of glory’.
JBT Ping!
Wow... that’s the flip side of the founders’
“The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
Waxman’s base assumption is upside down - that the government should have all the rights and people would be wrong to resist the taking of the people’s rights.
It depends on the phase of the conflict.
In the first phases, the strategy should be to escape and get the word out.
Then organization gets underway,
then ambushes,
then “hunting”.
Conn. Cop: I Will Kick Down Doors To Confiscate Guns and you will have a bullet in your head.
And his statement is right in line with the majority of the Rat Party.
At no point in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason ~ nully's sonThe fire and confusion *might* buy you enough time to escape.
As an alternate, there is nothing saying there will even be a fire, rather than just a gasoline spill.
For a fire one would need an ignition source, would a gasoline soaked cop risk becoming a fireball from his own muzzle flash, or even the sparks from his own Taser?
Run!
As you say.
One thing is for sure - if any shots come from the house toward the cops, right house or wrong house,
EVERY PERSON IN THE HOUSE WILL DIE.
This is according to an observation of their current “rules of engagement”.
The audio of that conversation was posted recently on FR, and I heard it. I'll bet Lt. Vance is still on the job after his boast. It was a phone conversation, at one point the lady (who's husband had gotten a letter that he was soon to be visited and his weapon confiscated) told him, "Hey, you're the servants! We citizens are the masters." He replied "We are the masters, we are the masters."
Remember this jackwagon next time somebody assures you the cops would never go through with it. Like Hell they wouldn't. They will, and they will totally enjoy doing it. And they'll break your wife's jaw just to teach you not to give them any sass.
No, he doesn’t state he will just follow orders.
He state he would LOVE to kick down doors and violate constitutional rights.
He states he would even cheerfully give up body parts to crush a citizen.
Nothing so passive as “I vas yust followink odors”.
This Jack-Booted Thug is a wildly enthusiastic cheerleader for state sponsored terrorism against us mere citizens.
Unions!
You forgot to mention the unions.
Acting under color of [state] law is misuse of power, possessed by virtue of state law and made possible only because the wrongdoer is clothed with the authority of state law Thompson v. Zirkle, 2007 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 77654 (N.D. Ind. Oct. 17, 2007)
The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and the name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void and ineffective for any purpose since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it; an unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed ... An unconstitutional law is void.
(16 Am. Jur. 2d, Sec. 178)
An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as it had never been passed. Norton v. Shelby County. 118 U.S. 425
No State legislator or executive or judicial officer can war against the Constitution without violating his undertaking to support it.
Cooper v. Aaron, 358 U.S. 1, 78 S.Ct. 1401 (1958).
The Constitution of these United States is the supreme law of the land. Any law that is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void of law. Marbury v. Madison, 5 US 137
No state shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and attach a fee to it. Murdock v. Penn., 319 US 105
If the state converts a liberty into a privilege, the citizen can engage in the right with impunity. Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, 373 US 262
Officers of the court have no immunity, when violating a Constitutional right, from liability. For they are deemed to know the law. Owen v. Independence, 100 S.C.T. 1398, 445 US 622
The court is to protect against any encroachment of Constitutionally secured liberties. Boyd v. U.S., 116 U.S. 616
State courts, like federal courts, have a constitutional obligation to safeguard personal liberties and to uphold federal law. Stone v. Powell 428 US 465, 96 S. Ct. 3037, 49 L. Ed. 2d 1067.
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