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To: MarMema

Where were you on Hitler and the Sudetenland? Poland?


4 posted on 03/18/2014 11:21:47 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Where were you on Tibet?


5 posted on 03/18/2014 11:22:34 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Would you have started war with Hitler when he marched into the Rhineland?


7 posted on 03/18/2014 11:23:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: C. Edmund Wright

A strong Czechoslovakia was a vital piece of the Versailles system. Crimea and even the Ukraine itself does not approach it in importance.


8 posted on 03/18/2014 11:25:47 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: C. Edmund Wright
And where were you on Abkhazia for that matter? Russia has a long history of annexing parts of other countries. Oh well. No one seemed to care until Crimea.

The protest leadership (to the extent that it exists) consists of three opposition parties in parliament – one of which, the Svoboda party, is clearly on the far right. Svoboda, which captured 38 seats and 10 percent of the vote in the last parliamentary elections, until 2004 called itself the Social Nationalist Party of Ukraine and employed neo-Nazi and SS symbols. While the party changed its name and symbols in 2004, Svoboda’s leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, continued to argue that the opposition should fight the “Muscovite-Jewish mafia running Ukraine” and praised the Ukrainian Insurgency Army (UPA) in World War II for fighting “against the Moskali [Muscovites], Germans, Zhydy [Jews] and other scum, who wanted to take away our Ukrainian state.”

Speaking of WW2, just wanted to say I have no interest in supporting neo-nazis either.

11 posted on 03/18/2014 11:28:47 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Putin is not Hitler.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 11:30:16 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Where were you when Russia was defending Orthodox Christians from the Ottomans?

Just checking how far back you want to go) I’m not a fan of Putin or Russia.


17 posted on 03/18/2014 11:33:30 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Where were you on Hitler and the Sudetenland? Poland?

I understand your analogy but believe it to be falacious. Hitler professed expansionism beyond traditional borders and occupied the Sudetenland, the Rhineland and invaded Poland as part of Lebensraum. Putin full well understands the necessity of a warm-water port and desires to maintain the Crimea for Sevastapol. He may incur into the Ukraine but he is far to intelligent to take on NATO, even if he thought he could win initially. He knows that he would eventually lose and lose big. Too much at stake so he will allow natural political processes to occur and provide the populace with enough incentive to join (even if those incentives are negative).

Putin is a patriot. Love him or hate him, he loves Russia and as former KGB, he loved the Soviet Union and as such, probably desires a return to many aspects of it. That is troubling for the West but to those of us who spent a career studying it, understand where he is coming from.

Putin has the mantel of power and likes it, his is not one to throw it away on trivial matters (geo-politically speaking) and will bide his time. Obama is far to weak to do anything of substance against over actions of expansionism, but Putin knows where to push and where to allow natural assimilation.

18 posted on 03/18/2014 11:34:16 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Where where you on a progressive President who dragged us foolishly into WWI? Which decision BTW led directly to Sudetenland and Poland.


33 posted on 03/18/2014 12:02:53 PM PDT by DManA
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Where were you on Hitler and the Sudetenland?

The Sudetenland was a much more complicated issue than how it is remembered in the West today.

The Bohemian Germans had lived where they did for a thousand years. They lived throughout that period in a German state, which arguably oppressed the Bohemian Czechs to varying degrees over the years. Little of that oppression was from the Bohemian Germans, though, it was by Germans in Vienna.

So Austria loses WWI, and the Czechs want to be independent. Suddenly the Czech demands for self-determination of peoples goes out the window and they instead demand the "historical boundaries of the Bohemian Crown," which of course included the 3M Bohemian Germans, who almost unanimously wanted to remain part of a German nation and lived in areas contiguous to either Germany or Austria. Instead, they were handed over by "the powers" to the rule of people who hated them.

On March 4, 1919 the Germans of Bohemia demonstrated, with 54 of them being killed by the Czechs.

IOW, the Sudeten Germans had perfectly legitimate complaints about how they'd been treated by the "international community" and the Czech government.

Did Hitler care about them? Of course not. He just was able to effectively exploit their legitimate grievances for his own purposes.

But those grievances wouldn't have existed if Wilson and the other powers hadn't abandoned their own proclaimed principles in the interests of expediency.

Hitler's invasion of the rest of Czechoslovakia and then of Poland didn't have even a trace of legitimate justification.

41 posted on 03/18/2014 12:13:47 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: C. Edmund Wright

There were a lot of Americans who shared Mr. Paul’s opinion right up to Dec 7, 1941.


73 posted on 03/18/2014 12:56:34 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; Kartographer; Travis McGee
You can tell a lot about people they way they misuse certain historical analogies. For instance, the repeated references to the Sudetenland. Yawn.

How about trying this one for size: where are you with regard to Japan's attack on both Singapore & Pearl Harbor? Do you know what forced the Japanese to initiate this attack?

How about some background information. I can tell from your previous posts that you're one of those who believes in America's imminent "fossil fuel independence". AKA another sucker falling for a pump & dump scam. (You know none of the major oil companies got involved, and that they're already cutting back on capital expenditures and dipping into reserves to cover dividends in order to maintain share prices, right? Bueller?)

The truth of the matter is the USA passed peak oil back in '73 when Nixon took us off the gold standard, for good reason. With both Cantarell & Gwahar showing precipitous declines, it's clear we're facing the downward slope on a global basis.

The last region remaining today with impressive proven reserves, is, you guessed it, Russia. Just like the USA was the world's largest producer on Dec 7, 1941.

So, to get the analogy straight, our backing of the illegal insurrection that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine was tantamount to 12/7/41: engaged as a long-term play to eventually defeat Russia and gain possession of it resources.

Everything Putin, et al have been doing since have been defensive reactions to our offensive campaign. And just like WWII, this is only the start. We will continue to press the attack in the hope of defeating our last chance to gain hold of sufficient reserves to keep the Ponzi going for another generation or so.

74 posted on 03/18/2014 12:58:31 PM PDT by semantic
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