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Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns
NYT ^ | March 20, 2014 | By ANDREW E. KRAMER

Posted on 03/20/2014 10:37:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson

City to Shooting Range: Get Rid of NRA Membership Requirement or Get Out

March 20 2014
by Dan Cannon
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A gun club in Colorado that has been in existence for over 60 years finds itself between a rock and a hard place.

Recently, the club changed its rules to require all members to also be members of the NRA. The move was made so that the club would be eligible for certain grants and other benefits provided by the NRA for member ranges. The club was counting on that assistance to make needed upgrades to the aging indoor range.

However, the city, who owns the property the gun club is located on, wasn’t too happy about that move. According to the Durango Herald,

The city of Durango has given notice to the Durango Gun Club: The nonprofit must either abandon its new requirement that each of its 700 members join the National Rifle Association, or the club must vacate its Florida Road premises, which the club has leased free from the city since 1963.

In the city’s eviction letter, which was addressed to Malarsie, city attorney David Smith wrote that if the club’s NRA “policy is, in fact, in place, it is an objectionable use of public land and must be discontinued. If the Board of Directors of the club choose not to discontinue this policy, this letter constitutes notice to vacate the premises within the next 30 days.”

In the eviction letter, dated March 13, Smith requests that the club’s leadership inform the city of its decision in the next 10 days.

La Plata County Manager Joe Kerby said the county is reviewing whether the club’s NRA membership requirement violates the terms of its lease with the county.

The gun club’s leadership feel that Colorado’s changing politics as well as the city wanting the land for other projects are the real issue at play here.

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/city-to-shooting-range-get-rid-of-nra-membership-requirement-or-get-out/


61 posted on 03/21/2014 6:22:38 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Jim Robinson

Do they not have deep bodies of water ? No tragic boating accidents ?


62 posted on 03/21/2014 6:22:56 AM PDT by Einherjar
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To: Jim Robinson
They should stick to their guns.

Sooner or later, Putin is going to try to take a 2nd bite.

They should learn the lesson of the Warsaw uprising: if you ain't got guns, you will have to risk your life to get them later.

63 posted on 03/21/2014 6:27:10 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: annalex
There is no legal private gun ownership in the Russian Federation at all, except for hunters or BB guns.

Incorrect:

From a Russian citizen:

 Members of public are allowed to own these categories of firearms:
 
1. Shotguns (and air-rifles from 3 to 25 joules of muzzle power)
 2. Rifles (after 5 years long term of owning a shotgun and 5 years long membership in a hunting cooperative)
 These two categories mean shoulder guns.
 
3. "Self-defense weapons" Those are gas pistols and so-called traumatic guns which fire a rubber bullet using a light charge of gunpowder.
 
No handguns, automatic fire and such.
 
Licences.
 Buying a gun requires obtaining a licence from the police. Anyone starting from 18 years of age can obtain a shotgun or a self-defense weapons licence if he/she meets those criterias:
 
- not in file as a drug addict/alcoholic
 - not in file as mentally ill
 - no criminal record
 - health certificate
 - no certain misdemeanours comitted (such like misuse of firearms)
 - that person passed an exam (on legal issues and firearm handling).
 - good character report from the neighbourhood police inspector
 - a steel gun safe. (very often they require it to be fixed to a wall)
 
The rifle license requires the same plus 5 years long owning of a hunting smoothbore licence 

There are these types of licences:
 
1. Hunting smoothbore /air powered weapons - this requires joining a hunting cooperative before applying to the police. Hunting cooperatives require an applicant to pass an exam. One with such licence can keep a weapon at home, wear it in hunting/sports grounds and transport it elsewhere. A gun being transported must be unloaded, upholstered, ammo stored separately.
 
2. Self-defense smoothbore /air powered weapons. One with this licence can keep a weapon at home. 

3. Rifle licence. Same as hunting smoothbore weapons' licence carry/storing/transporting regulations plus annual forensic shoot-off.
 
4. Self-defense weapons. One can carry such a weapon everywhere except certain places.
 
All the licences must be renewed in 5 years. One can buy up to 5 pieces of weapons of each category. Cold weapons can be bought by hunting licence holders.
 
Ammo.
 Ammo can be bought according to the caliber in your licence. That is a 0.308Win rifle owner cannot buy 30-06 cartridges. Gun dealers log ammo purchases. 

Shotgun shells can be legally reloaded (powder is sold by the gun dealers). Rifle cartridges - a legal uncertainity with them, rifle powder cannot be found on sale. However, rifle owners disassemble factory cartridges to get the powder and load imported shells with it and imported bullets Those ones are bought mainly in the US web-shops.
 
There are private security firms. 
They can rent (previously could own) handguns from the police. The handguns are limited in muzzle power - 300 J. 

64 posted on 03/21/2014 6:28:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

What’s “incorrect”? Rifles are for hunters with 5-year history and self defense is air guns and rubber bullets only.


65 posted on 03/21/2014 6:34:38 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: montag813
John McCain’s buddies at work confiscating guns.

Obama wanted Yats the "technocrat" and that's what he got.

Ukrainians will go to the polls in May. If they want to keep their guns they need to elect somebody who would support that.

66 posted on 03/21/2014 6:38:13 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Lazamataz

Agree with you that insanity has flown out the window.


67 posted on 03/21/2014 6:56:26 AM PDT by bgill
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To: annalex

Shotguns for anyone, rifles for anyone who wants to hunt OR engage in any shooting sport.


68 posted on 03/21/2014 6:57:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I see a lot of boating accidents in Ukraine’s future.


69 posted on 03/21/2014 6:58:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jim Robinson
MOLON LABE
70 posted on 03/21/2014 6:59:50 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Lazamataz

The rock group WHO had a song with the lyrics:

“Here comes the new Boss...same as the old Boss..”


71 posted on 03/21/2014 7:20:48 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Lazamataz; annalex

Thank you, as I was going to concur on that your statement.

Got a gal here I work with from Russia who confirms your information.

AND

There are tons of (Russian) folks who are/were grandfathered in when these rules took effect, and none of these rules include the black market, of course.

In short, the Russian citizens are ARMED.

Which leads me to state the point I was going to make: If Russia wants all of the Ukraine right now, they can take the country without firing a shot by declaring the following:

1) insure all bank deposits with oil revenue.
2) you can keep your guns.
3) Optional: Protection from Mandated EU social contracts (e.g. no forced free sodomy laws as a pre-requisite for aid)

Check and Mate.

P.S. The way this government and the EU is acting, no need to worry about Putin/Russia making any moves toward the Baltic states. They’ll come running to Russia’s open arms for for protection.


72 posted on 03/21/2014 7:46:34 AM PDT by jimjohn (You don't get the kind of government you want, or the kind you need. You get the kind you deserve.)
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To: Drago
Whose side are we on again?

Great question.

73 posted on 03/21/2014 8:16:17 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

On the side of truth and freedom.


74 posted on 03/21/2014 8:18:01 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: Navy Patriot

Don’t forget - the Russian media anchor speaks out against Putin, and she’s given a trip to the region so she can learn what is going on. A Crimean network exec tries to cover the news, and Ukrainian regime brownwhirts break into his office and bully him into resigning.

As in Syria, Egypt, the Balkans - the Eurocrats are backing the very bad guys against the bad guys.


75 posted on 03/21/2014 8:25:08 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Correct on both points, thanks for the reminder.


76 posted on 03/21/2014 8:36:10 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: annalex; Lazamataz; Alberta's Child
There is no legal private gun ownership in the Russian Federation at all, except for hunters or BB guns.

That is an outright lie.

77 posted on 03/21/2014 8:40:29 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Lazamataz

I just want to look at them... to make certain they’re safe.


78 posted on 03/21/2014 8:49:50 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity; goldstategop
Third, the EU/US have broken Ukraine and won’t be able to fix it.

Fourth, the EU/US and the Western MSM will blame Russia for all this.

79 posted on 03/21/2014 8:51:36 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I’m finally understanding, too. I’ve been sitting on the fence about this whole affair because I wasn’t sure what to believe until now, but calls for the disarming of the populace by the Ukrainian government has really opened my eyes.


80 posted on 03/21/2014 9:04:02 AM PDT by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in two years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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