RI state senator tells Second-Amendment proponent to “go [edit]” himself

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[Paladin2]

Gotta luv the ‘rats.

[OneWingedShark]

That’s in the context of a multi colored flag.
To bolster my point – take a look at all the cultural references to Red meaning Commie.
Why was China know as Red China?

Yes, there is an association of red to communism... but there was an even earlier American association of red to hardiness & valor.
Or are you asserting that communism is stronger than traditional American ideals?

[Some Fat Guy in L.A.]

You can always count on a rat to stay classy under pressure.

[OneWingedShark]

Question: Was Communism historically signified by the color RED or not?
Yes or No will suffice.

No.

The reason for this is that red has historically signified many other things, especially with different contexts:

• General Symbolism
  1. Courage and sacrifice
     In western countries red is a symbol of martyrs and sacrifice, particularly because of its association with blood.
  2. Love
     Red is the color most commonly associated with love, followed at a great distance by pink.
  3. Happiness, celebration and ceremony
     Red is the color most commonly associated with joy and well being.
  4. Hatred, anger, aggression, passion, heat and war
     While red is the color most associated with love, it also the color most frequently associated with hatred, anger, aggression and war.
  5. Warning and danger
     Red is the traditional color of warning and danger.
  6. The color that attracts attention
     Red is the color that most attracts attention. Surveys show it is the color most frequently associated with visibility, proximity, and extroverts. It is also the color most associated with dynamism and activity.
  7. Seduction, sexuality and sin
     Red by a large margin is the color most commonly associated with seduction, sexuality, eroticism and immorality, possibly because of its close connection with passion and with danger.
• Red in different cultures and traditions
  1. In China, red is the symbol of fire and the south. It carries a largely positive connotation, being associated with courage, loyalty, honor, success, fortune, fertility, happiness, passion, and summer. In Chinese cultural traditions, red is associated with weddings (where brides traditionally wear red dresses) and red paper is frequently used to wrap gifts of money or other objects.
  2. In Japan, red is a traditional color for a heroic figure.
  3. In the Indian subcontinent, red is the traditional color of bridal dresses, and is frequently represented in the media as a symbolic color for married women. The color is associated with purity, as well as with sexuality in marital relationships through its connection to heat and fertility.
  4. In Central Africa, Ndembu warriors rub themselves with red paint during celebrations. Since their culture sees the color as a symbol of life and health, sick people are also painted with it.
  5. The early Ottoman Turks led by the first Ottoman Sultan, Osman I, carried red banners symbolizing sovereignty, Ghazis and Sufism, until, according to legend, he saw a new red flag in his dream inlaid with a crescent.
• In religion
  1. In the Christianity, red is associated with the blood of Christ and the sacrifice of martyrs.
  2. In Buddhism, red is one of the five colors which are said to have emanated from the Buddha when he attained enlightenment, or nirvana. It is particularly associated with the benefits of the practice of Buddhism; achievement, wisdom, virtue, fortune and dignity. It was also believed to have the power to resist evil.
  3. In the Shinto religion of Japan, the gateways of temples, called torii, are traditionally painted vermilion red and black. The torii symbolizes the passage from the profane world to a sacred place. The bridges in the gardens of Japanese temples are also painted red (and usually only temple bridges are red, not bridges in ordinary gardens), since they are also passages to sacred places. Red was also considered a color which could expel evil and disease.

To associate the color exclusively with Marxism (Karl Marx: 05 May 1818 – 14 March 1883) is to ignore its history across the world... or are you trying to tell us that The Communist Manifesto (1848) and Das Kapital (1867–1894) which are less than a hundred years old can uproot and supplant thousand year old history?

[ourworldawry]

“A guy who hates guns and hates our 2nd Amendment is PROTECTED by men who have guns 24/7..take away his armed security let’s see how he enjoys life then”

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...like the guy in the outhouse in Jurassic Park?

[Voice of Reason88]

First of all, You were the one who pushed the strawman of it being:

“so crazy conspiracy”

As you said in comment 25

In addition, it was you that also stated:

“So, no, blue wasn't ever the officially recognized GOP color.”

And were we to follow along with what you said in comment 51:

“many of a them reversed the pattern to avoid favoritism.”

That begs the question – why weren’t they reversed BACK during the

“The next election cycle”?

[Voice of Reason88]

Then Why weren’t they reversed BACK during the

“The next election cycle”?

[Voice of Reason88]

Or are you asserting that communism is stronger than traditional American ideals?

Please, you’re not going to throw that kind of “red herring” into the argument are you?

“red herring”
Etymology:
The name of this fallacy comes from the sport of fox hunting in which a dried, smoked herring, which is red in color, is dragged across the trail of the fox to throw the hounds off the scent.

Thus, a “red herring” argument is one which distracts the audience from the issue in question through the introduction of some irrelevancy. This frequently occurs during debates when there is an at least implicit topic, yet it is easy to lose track of it. By extension, it applies to any argument in which the premisses are logically irrelevant to the conclusion.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/redherrf.html

[arderkrag]

You mean after 2000? Probably because they realized it was silly to keep swapping.

[Voice of Reason88]

Throughout history many different colors signified different things, but in the context of modern times, Red has been the traditional color of Communism.

As is typical of their tactics the RED [national communist party] is trying to confuse the issue by switching around the terms of the debate.

Just as they try to assert the absurd notion that Fascism is the opposite of socialism.

[Voice of Reason88]

So now you’re contradicting yourself.

Then why did they do that in previous years?

If it were ‘silly’ to ‘keep swapping’ then why did they just happen to keep the colors on the opposite of what they truly are?

Let’s see – I destroyed your silly (your word so I’ll use that) assertions on the traditional colors of Communism.

The source that supposedly proved your point didn’t –

From your linked article:

Throughout the rest of the world, specific colors carry very specific designations and are widely understood by the general population:

Blue - The color of the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada and British conservatives of the UK. "Tory blue" is associated with more right-wing, conservative political thought.

Red - Canada's "Liberal red" and Britain's Labor Party are considered more socialist, or left-wing. In some cases, red is associated with communistic governments. During the McCarthy era in the U.S., pink was the color of socialist ideology.

I also destroyed you attempt at using the all-to-common strawman argument.

What else have you got?

Why is it all fired important for you to argue the case for this?

[arderkrag]

Actually, that source does support what I’m saying, and I never disputed red being the color of communism. It’s important for me tokeep arguing this because your very tone indicates you have an absurd belief that somehow, the assignation of colors in the 2000 election cycle is some grand conspiracy being used to demonize the right, and it isn’t. I make it a point to highlight the absurdity of conspiracy theories. You haven’t destroyed a thing, you’ve been flailing about from point to point, and like all internet arguers who declnare themselves winning, you are wrong.

[arderkrag]

Also, I haven’t contradicted myself OR used a strawman.

[OneWingedShark]

Throughout history many different colors signified different things, but in the context of modern times, Red has been the traditional color of Communism.

Idiotic; why cede a whole color to some ideology?
Especially one which "in western countries, symbolizes (a) the blood of patriots, or (b) the blood of Christ.

As is typical of their tactics the RED [national communist party] is trying to confuse the issue by switching around the terms of the debate.

Then you're falling into their trap by allowing them to define what "red" means.

[arderkrag]

The thing is, “they” aren’t trying to do any such thing. You’d have to reading WAY too much into it to draw the conclusion that it’s some subversive tactic.

[Voice of Reason88]

You may wish to stop before destroying your tattered credibility even more denying reality as you are doing.

Here's the problem for you, everything you’ve said in out there in black and white (and red and blue):

First of all, You were the one who pushed the strawman of it being:

“so crazy conspiracy”

As you said in comment 25

Who used that terminology first?

In addition, it was you that also stated:

“So, no, blue wasn't ever the officially recognized GOP color.”

Where did I make that specific assertion?

And were we to follow along with what you said in comment 51:

“many of a them reversed the pattern to avoid favoritism.”

That begs the question – why weren’t they reversed BACK during the

“The next election cycle”?

“Probably because they realized it was silly to keep swapping.”

Then why did they do that in previous years?

If it were ‘silly’ to ‘keep swapping’ then why did they just happen to keep the colors on the opposite of what they truly are?

[Voice of Reason88]

Because that is the Reality of the situation.

It’s a fools errand to fight against reality.

[OneWingedShark]

Because that is the Reality of the situation.

No, it's really not; your assertion does not make it reality.
And, in the end, that's all you've given — assertion.

It’s a fools errand to fight against reality.

Who's fighting against reality?
The reality is that the color Red has deep symbolic and traditional meaning which far predates communism — I gave examples/references.

[Voice of Reason88]

From the linked article:

Throughout the rest of the world, specific colors carry very specific designations and are widely understood by the general population:

Blue - The color of the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada and British conservatives of the UK. "Tory blue" is associated with more right-wing, conservative political thought.

Red - Canada's "Liberal red" and Britain's Labor Party are considered more socialist, or left-wing. In some cases, red is associated with communistic governments. During the McCarthy era in the U.S., pink was the color of socialist ideology.

Red has always been the traditional color of Communism.

The Move ‘Reds’ about the Bolshevik revolution.

The Move ‘Red Dawn’ about an attack by the Communists.

Not to mention that the Chinese communist flag, the flag of the defunct USSR and a certain Socialist Worker’s Party in Germany during the 1930’s – 1940’s…

In the last 100 years, Communism historically signified by the color RED

Are you seriously denying these facts?

Are you seriously denying the Reality of the situation?

[TheBigJ]

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