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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; mlo
Let me ask if either of you have an issue with any of these quotes from ‘science’:
Darwin showed that material causes are a sufficient explanation not only for physical phenomena, as Descartes and Newton had shown, but also for biological phenomena with all their seeming evidence of design and purpose. By coupling undirected, purposeless variation to the blind, uncaring process of natural selection, Darwin made theological or spiritual explanations of the life processes superfluous. Together with Marx's materialistic theory of history and society and Freud's attribution of human behavior to influences over which we have little control, Darwin's theory of evolution was a crucial plank in the platform of mechanism and materialism…
-Douglas Futuyma's Evolutionary Biology (1998, 3rd Ed., Sinauer Associates), p. 5

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“Our brains are shaped for fitness, not for truth; sometimes the truth is adaptive, sometimes it is not.”
- Steven Pinker, evolutionary cognitive psychologist, How the Mind Works (W.W. Norton, 1997), p. 305.

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The time has come to take seriously the fact that we humans are modified monkeys, not the favored Creation of a Benevolent God on the Sixth Day. In particular, we must recognize our biological past in trying to understand our interactions with others. We must think again especially about our so-called “ethical principles.” The question is not whether biology—specifically, our evolution—is connected with ethics, but how. As evolutionists, we see that no [ethical] justification of the traditional kind is possible.

Morality, or more strictly our belief in morality, is merely an adaptation put in place to further our reproductive ends. Hence the basis of ethics does not lie in God’s will…. In an important sense, ethics as we understand it is an illusion fobbed off on us by our genes to get us to cooperate. It is without external grounding. Like Macbeth’s dagger, it serves a powerful purpose without existing in substance.

Ethics is illusory inasmuch as it persuades us that it has an objective reference. This is the crux of the biological position. Once it is grasped, everything falls into place.
- Michael Ruse and E. O. Wilson, The Evolution of Ethics

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In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference.
- Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life

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Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly.
1) No gods worth having exist.
2) No life after death exists.
3) No ultimate foundation for ethics exists.
4) No ultimate meaning in life exists.
5) Human free will is nonexistent.
- William Provine (from Darwin Day speech)

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Why is this important? The US Constitution assumed all human rights were bestowed to us by our Creator through Natural Law . A Humanistic belief (now based on Darwinism) would assume rights and morality are bestowed to us by ‘mankind’ based on circumstance. Morality, according to Darwinism, is but an illusion.

Americas leaders of 1787 had studied Cicero, Polybius, Coke, Locke, Montesquieu, and Blackstone, among others, as well as the history of the rise and fall of governments, and they recognized these underlying principles of law as those of the Decalogue, the Golden Rule, and the deepest thought of the ages.

William Blackstone, whose writings trained American's lawyers for its first century, capsulized such reasoning:

"For as God, when he created matter, and endued it with a principle of mobility, established certain rules for the...direction of that motion; so, when he created man, and endued him with freewill to conduct himself in all parts of life, he laid down certain immutable laws of human nature, whereby that freewill is in some degree regulated and restrained, and gave him also the faculty of reason to discover the purport of those laws."
What are those natural laws? Blackstone continued:
"Such among others are these principles: that we should live honestly, should hurt nobody, and should render to every one his due.."
The Founders saw these as moral duties between individuals. Thomas Jefferson wrote:
"Man has been subjected by his Creator to the moral law, of which his feelings, or conscience as it is sometimes called, are the evidence with which his Creator has furnished him .... The moral duties which exist between individual and individual in a state of nature, accompany them into a state of society . their Maker not having released them from those duties on their forming themselves into a nation."
A wise man once observed that while belief in God after the Holocaust may be difficult, belief in man after the Holocaust is impossible.
169 posted on 04/17/2014 7:04:46 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander

Why is belief in God after the Holocaust difficult?!? Not a very wise man in my book.


170 posted on 04/17/2014 7:15:22 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: Heartlander

Some of those comments are correct and some aren’t. But they aren’t all from “science”.


172 posted on 04/17/2014 7:51:56 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Heartlander
"Why is this important?..."

We can debate whether our political system is based on religious belief or not, but that has nothing to do with the truth of that belief.

A thing is true or it isn't. Whether or not our society benefits from believing one way or the other has no bearing.

173 posted on 04/17/2014 7:57:03 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Heartlander
Let me ask if either of you have an issue with any of these quotes from ‘science’: Darwin showed that material causes are a sufficient explanation not only for physical phenomena

How did Darwin "show" anything?

Darwin did not "show" anything.

Darwin offered only pure speculation. He did not "show" anything.

Aristotle "showed" that a large cannonball will fall faster than a small cannonball. But he was WRONG.

Darwin's fantasy has never been tested and indeed is incapable of being tested.
181 posted on 04/17/2014 8:36:57 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: Heartlander
Let me ask if either of you have an issue with any of these quotes from ‘science’

Those aren't quotes from 'science.' 'Science' doesn't speak; individual scientists do. If you want to know if I have an issue with any of those authors, I'd say I'd have to see their quotes in context. I don't trust mined quotes.

But more to the point: whether I agree with them, or whether they're valid, has nothing to do with whether the theory of evolution is true. A scientific theory is not falsified because you or I don't like it's philosophical implications. People didn't care for the implications of the heliocentric theory, either. But we got over it.

187 posted on 04/17/2014 9:17:13 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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