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To: BobL

Do you have a source for that claim that Cruz wants to allow 30,000,000 to enter the US? You are claiming that Cruz wants to give the right of chain migration to illegals?

You are claiming that Cruz wants to grant them citizenship and voting rights?

By the way, Texas and California are different in spite of facing the same immigration issues for decades, California turned left because of the lack of conservatism of it’s GOP, and the weak Christian values of it’s largely libertarian republicans.


255 posted on 04/05/2014 12:38:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“Do you have a source for that claim that Cruz wants to allow 30,000,000 to enter the US? You are claiming that Cruz wants to give the right of chain migration to illegals?”

Chain migration ALWAYS follows when you let people stay. There is NO WAY we will change our laws and force these people to keep their spouses, kids, and parents back home - and there is NO ASSURANCE that those people, if they come here legally, will not ultimately become citizens. The only people that would not become citizens for certain, per Cruz’s position, are the ones already here illegally. We will be flooded.

“You are claiming that Cruz wants to grant them citizenship and voting rights?”

No, I’m saying FEDERAL LAW relating to the immigration of close family members will prevail. I’m married to an immigrant and I have PERSONALLY sponsored family members coming here. It is totally unavoidable.

“By the way, Texas and California are different in spite of facing the same immigration issues for decades, California turned left because of the lack of conservatism of it’s GOP, and the weak Christian values of it’s largely libertarian republicans.”

While I agree that the spineless Republicans didn’t help things, I was LIVING IN CALIFORNIA when this took place. Prior to Amnesty, California had millions of Illegals that did not vote. After Amnesty, California had millions of new citizens, but they STILL did not vote (they just didn’t bother). But then the state was broke in the early 1990s, so Governor Wilson passed Proposition 187. The Democrats
realized that these new citizens can vote - they signed them up in DROVES, and it was GAME OVER for the Republicans. They were simply outnumbered...and are getting more outnumbered by the day.

That is the Democrat strategy to take Texas and I cannot think of anything THAT WILL HELP THEM MORE than the millions of new voters from Latin Americans that legalization (or Amnesty) will provide. WE NEED THESE PEOPLE TO LEAVE...or it’s over, and sooner rather than later.


276 posted on 04/05/2014 2:12:26 PM PDT by BobL
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To: ansel12

I see this as not necessarily because some states have a lot of illegals, that is true.

Unfortunately, from what I know, I believe Ted Cruz is trying to make the best out of a bad situation, illegals are here, sadly, we won’t do an operation wetback as happened under Ike but FDR and Truman too from what I know. So maybe Cruz looks at this and says, okay, let’s give them RESIDENCY... that’s residency, not citizenship. Seems a few others of the pols feel that way. It is a compromise, I’m not sure what to think of that.

It’s sort of the way people want a National Amendment defining Marriage as being between 1 man and 1 woman, I’d be for that but it’s like the horse has already left the stable, seems the best thing now we can hope for is that individual states can still control the matter and hoping the Fed. Govt. doesn’t force same-sex unions as law all over which would be atrocious.

Just my view, sorry for the long post.

I’m reading the posts but this is what I thought Cruz’s position was.


287 posted on 04/05/2014 6:09:28 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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