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1 posted on 04/11/2014 2:49:57 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Here’s is my five word response:

Justice Stevens, go f*** yourself.

L


25 posted on 04/11/2014 3:05:41 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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Justice Stevens, let me say this as politely as I can. Fuck you. Fuck you and every one of your liberal cronies. Not the most eloquent response that I can think of, but sometimes crass language is exactly what is called for.


28 posted on 04/11/2014 3:09:52 PM PDT by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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Check the state Constitutions written contemporaneously with the Federal Constitution, and some quite recently. They are almost universal in their reference to citizens, not to their own state militias.

Alabama: That every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state. Art. I, § 26 (enacted 1819, art. I, § 23, with "defence" in place of "defense," spelling changed 1901).

Arizona: The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain, or employ an armed body of men. Art. II, § 26 (enacted 1912).

Connecticut: Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state. Art. I, § 15 (enacted 1818, art. I, § 17).

Delaware: A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use. Art. I, § 20 (enacted 1987).

Indiana: The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State. Art. I, § 32 (enacted 1851, art. I, § 32).

Kansas: The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be tolerated, and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power. Bill of Rights, § 4 (enacted 1859, art. I, § 4).

Kentucky: All men are, by nature, free and equal, and have certain inherent and inalienable rights, among which may be reckoned: ... Seventh: The right to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the State, subject to the power of the General Assembly to enact laws to prevent persons from carrying concealed weapons. § 1 (enacted 1891). 1792: "That the right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned." Art. XII, § 23.

Maine: Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned. Art. I, § 16 (enacted 1987, after a collective-rights interpretation of the original provision). 1819: "Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms for the common defence; and this right shall never be questioned." Art. I, § 16.

Michigan: Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state. Art. I, § 6 (enacted 1963).

Mississippi: The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but the legislature may regulate or forbid carrying concealed weapons. Art. III, § 12 (enacted 1890, art. 3, § 12). 1817: "Every citizen has a right to bear arms, in defence of himself and the State." Art. I, § 23.

Montana: The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. Art. II, § 12 (enacted 1889).

Nevada: Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes. Art. I, § 11(1) (enacted 1982).

Oklahoma: The right of a citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power, when thereunto legally summoned, shall never be prohibited; but nothing herein contained shall prevent the Legislature from regulating the carrying of weapons. Art. II, § 26 (enacted 1907).

Oregon: The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power[.] Art. I, § 27 (enacted 1857, art. I, § 28).

South Dakota: The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the state shall not be denied. Art. VI, § 24 (enacted 1889).

Texas: Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime. Art. I, § 23 (enacted 1876). 1836: "Every citizen shall have the right to bear arms in defence of himself and the republic. The military shall at all times and in all cases be subordinate to the civil power." Declaration of Rights, cl. 14. 1845: "Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in lawful defence of himself or the State." Art. I, § 13. 1868: "Every person shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defence of himself or the State, under such regulations as the legislature may prescribe." Art. I, § 13.

Utah: The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family, others, property, or the state, as well as for other lawful purposes shall not be infringed; but nothing herein shall prevent the legislature from defining the lawful use of arms. Art. I, § 6 (enacted 1984). 1896: "The people have the right to bear arms for their security and defense, but the legislature may regulate the exercise of this right by law."

Vermont: That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State -- and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power. Ch. I, art. 16 (enacted 1777, ch. I, art. 15).

West Virginia: A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and state, and for lawful hunting and recreational use. Art. III, § 22 (enacted 1986).

Wisconsin: The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose. Art. I, § 25 (enacted 1998).

Wyoming: The right of citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied. Art. I, § 24 (enacted 1889).

Pennsylvania: The right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State shall not be questioned. Art. 1, § 21 (enacted 1790, art. IX, § 21). 1776: That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination, to, and governed by, the civil power. Declaration of Rights, cl. XIII.

Rhode Island: The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Art. I, § 22 (enacted 1842).

29 posted on 04/11/2014 3:09:57 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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I have better words to add: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when used to destroy tyranny and tyrannical bastards shall not be infringed.”
30 posted on 04/11/2014 3:10:30 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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He would fix the 2A in the same manner that one fixes a dog.


31 posted on 04/11/2014 3:12:01 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Those are fighting words.


32 posted on 04/11/2014 3:13:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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I trust the founding fathers and their wisdom rather than a credentialed black-robed tyrant.

Go soak your head,Stevens. Or better yet, go emigrate to Cuba.

34 posted on 04/11/2014 3:18:36 PM PDT by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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Stevens, you are an idiot.


35 posted on 04/11/2014 3:21:21 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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Dear Justice Stevens. Here are five words for you.

YOU ARE A FREAKING BOOB!

39 posted on 04/11/2014 3:24:45 PM PDT by prisoner6 (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! I AM A FREE MAN!)
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Dear Mister Stevens,

You are no longer a Justice.

Thank the Lord.

Love,

Laz

40 posted on 04/11/2014 3:25:00 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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Gosh, the retired old liberal says he knows BETTER than the Founding fathers. Ain’t that somethin’?

Well, J.P., you couldn’t destroy the Constitution while you were sitting in your black robe on the SCOTUS, though you tried mightily....and we won’t let you do it now.


41 posted on 04/11/2014 3:25:16 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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. . and bear Arms when serving in the Militia

So what he's really saying is that Fort Hood soldiers shouldn't be captive in a gun free zone. /sarc/

42 posted on 04/11/2014 3:25:30 PM PDT by aimhigh (John 14:21)
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Justice Stevens is a big part of why we are in such a mees right now. And, dear justices, your job and authority is NOT to interpret the Constitution. It is to evaluate the Constitutionality of cases brought before you.


43 posted on 04/11/2014 3:26:08 PM PDT by Thom Pain (If you like your country you can keep it. Period.)
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Justice Stevens is a big part of why we are in such a mees right now. And, dear justices, your job and authority is NOT to interpret the Constitution. It is to evaluate the Constitutionality of cases brought before you.


44 posted on 04/11/2014 3:26:26 PM PDT by Thom Pain (If you like your country you can keep it. Period.)
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right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia

Burn in Hell, Stevens, you tyrant. We will not comply.

46 posted on 04/11/2014 3:29:14 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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OK I propose we pressure our State government to declare all citizens who are eligible under state law to own fire arms to be part of the state militia. That includes all weapons the present National Guard are allowed to have. Sorry blue states.


48 posted on 04/11/2014 3:30:25 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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“All citizens of the United States are hereby automatically serving in the militia,” by order of Driftless H. American.


49 posted on 04/11/2014 3:31:34 PM PDT by driftless2
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The 2nd amendment is just fine.


50 posted on 04/11/2014 3:32:56 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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Actually, it reasonably appears Stevens shot himself in the foot.

He argues those five words need to be inserted in order for his interpretation to prevail - 2dA applies only to members of organized militia.

It is therefore logical to conclude that since those five words are not now included there is no basis at all for his interpretation.

51 posted on 04/11/2014 3:33:44 PM PDT by frog in a pot (We are all "frogs in a pot" now. How and when will we real Americans jump out?)
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Stevens has his history all wrong and twisted to his point of view and distorting truth. The States did not want to ratify the constitution as drafted allowing an armed Federal army unless all men (not militia)were allowed the use of arms which is why it took decades to finally ratify it with a Bill of Rights and starting with the 2nd most important right for all men to always be armed freely:

A Well Regulated Militia?

Lost in the gun rights debate, much to the detriment of American freedom, is the fact that the Second Amendment is in fact an "AMENDMENT". No "Articles in Amendment" to the Constitution, more commonly referred to as the Bill of Rights, stand alone and each can only be properly understood with reference to what it is that each Article in Amendment amended in the body of the original Constitution. It should not be new knowledge to any American the Constitution was first submitted to Congress on September 17, 1787 WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENTS. After much debate, it was determined that the States would not adopt the Constitution as originally submitted until "further declamatory and restrictive clauses should be added" "in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its (the Constitutions) powers". (This quote is from the Preamble to the Amendments, which was adopted along with the Amendments but is mysteriously missing from nearly all modern copies.) The first ten Amendments were not ratified and added to the Constitution until December 15, 1791.

In this Light:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." What provisions of the original Constitution is it that the Second Amendment is designed to "amended"?

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS AMENDING THE PROVISIONS IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION APPLYING TO THE "MILITIA". The States were not satisfied with the powers granted to the "militia" as defined in the original Constitution and required an amendment to "prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers. "(Again quoting from the Preamble to the Amendments.)

What was it about the original Constitutional provisions concerning the "Militia" that was so offensive to the States?

First understand that the word "militia" was used with more than one meaning at the time of the penning of the Constitution. One popular definition used then was one often quoted today, that the "Militia" was every able bodied man owning a gun. As true as this definition is, it only confuses the meaning of the word "militia" as used in the original Constitution that required the Second Amendment to correct. The only definition of "Militia" that had any meaning to the States demanding Amendments is the definition used in the original Constitution. What offended the States then should offend "People" today:

"Militia" in the original Constitution as amended by the Second Amendment is first found in Article 1, Section 8, clause 15, where Congress is granted the power:

"To provide for the calling forth the MILITIA to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrection and repel Invasions." Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16 further empowers Congress:

"To provide for the organizing, arming, and disciplining, the MILITIA, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;" Any "patriot" out there still want to be called a member of the "MILITIA" as defined by the original Constitution?

Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1 empowers: "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the MILITIA of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;" The only way the States would accept the "MILITIA" as defined in the original Constitution was that the Federal "MILITIA" be "WELL REGULATED". The States realized that "THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE" required that the "MILITIA" as originally created in the Constitution be "WELL REGULATED" by a "restrictive clause." How did the States decide to insure that the Constitutional "MILITIA" be "WELL REGULATED"? By demanding that "restrictive clause two" better know as the "Second Amendment" be added to the original Constitution providing:

"THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." The States knew that "PEOPLE" with "ARMS" would "WELL REGULATE" the Federal "MILITIA"!

Now read for the first time with the full brightness of the Light of truth:

"A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

For those still overcome by propaganda:

The Second Amendment declares by implication that if the "MILITIA" is not "WELL REGULATED" by "PEOPLE" keeping and bearing arms, the "MILITIA" becomes a threat to the "SECURITY OF A FREE STATE."

The "MILITIA" has no "RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS" in the Second Amendment, rather it is only "THE RIGHT OF THE ""PEOPLE"" TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS (that) SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

53 posted on 04/11/2014 3:35:56 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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