Posted on 04/12/2014 11:09:47 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Federal laws are now enforced at whim by the likes of Holder. Manipulated at will by the likes of Reid and sons and cronies, to create federally managed lands, said land issues are imbued with environment green groups for one fetish or another. When tied to water/grazing/mineral rights, merged, auctioned off with funds kicked back to the likes of Reid—repackaged to sell off sovereign American rights to the Communist Chinese, federal appeals and rules are colored by whoever’s hands want the ‘right’ decision.
Of course the federal courts will rule as told. That’s why judges are shopped. It’s also why federal courts are only occasionally just. Justice now is a play for the imperial DC court jesters.
The feds rule as they want in ways that aggrandize federal power. Of course, they do. Laws are rules, which many times fade from view against what Justice is.
Bundy made a critical error in not signing the 1993 lease and paying the fees because it converted him from a stakeholder to a trespasser.
It’s probably true that the BLM intended to manage him into non-existence, but giving up his legal interest in the allotment is not the smartest way to fight city hall.
The temporary victory of this weekend may turn out to be Pyrrhic in the long run.
I hope the shenanigans of the fedcoats will explain how 50+ other ranchers were chased off the land.
Elko County, Nev., Commissioner Demar Dahl said that the land in dispute in the case of rancher Cliven Bundy does belong to the federal government.
However, hes part of a state-sanctioned task force charged with bringing public land under state control.
He believes the governments response to the dispute has been unprecedented.
The man who says hes a friend of Bundys also added that the rancher did try to pay the county his grazing fees instead of the federal government.
I dont know why he hasnt mentioned this more often.
Your info is wrong. The desert tortoise was listed in the endangered species act in 1989
In sum, the most analytical and critical thinking seen in many US legal situations at the federal level is whatever the imperial federal official says it is at that moment.
And that’s the actual problem. The ‘Rule of Law’ is become ephemeral rule of men.
Actually, some courts do get it right. In this case, Hage lost on his “no such thing as federal land” stance, but the BLM behavior “shocked the conscience of the court” by creating a fight for no reason.
“In the present case, the Governments actions over the past two decades shocks the conscience of the Court, and the burden on the Government of taking a few minutes to realize that the reference to the UCC on the Estates application was nonsensical and would not affect the terms of the permit was minuscule compared to the private interest affected. ..Based upon E. Wayne Hages declaration that he refused to waive his rightsa declaration that did not purport to change the substance of the grazing permit renewal for which he was applying, and which had no plausible legal effect other than to superfluously assert non-waiver of rightsthe Government denied him a renewal grazing permit based upon its frankly nonsensical position that such an assertion of rights meant that the application had not been properly completed.”
That 50+ is unsubstantiated. This is Nevada desert, not plush green Oregon, so I’m having a hard time believing there were 50+ ranchers in that area, or that the BLM was the sole cause of attrition.
Less than 2% of the population actively farms or ranches now compared to 98% a hundred-fifty years ago. Things change.
Hage never got his money, did he. Now that he’s dead, the decision’s overturned. Like it was no harm, no foul? Really?
The goalposts are moved in these land wars. Eminent domain, water/grazing rights in question, millions of acres sought for ‘energy zones’ (which may turn around and be packaged to our enemies for their own purposes)—all these issues in contention can be argued from a stated legal point of view that favors federal positions.
They remind me of the capitulations at the end of the Ottoman Empire—which sliced up territory to the highest bidder and helped collapse that government.
The larger picture here is the sovereignty of US land. Not FEDERAL land. We each own federal land, as we are the people here. Not the Communist Chinese.
Hage didn’t get his money. His legal theories sucked. However, the BLM has been ordered to give his heirs a grazing permit and access to water.
We do all own the public land, but we also elect Congress to administer it for us, per the Constitution. Unhappily, we have elected Congresses and even a Republican House that won’t lift a finger to stop the environmental radicals.
Your info is wrong. The desert tortoise was listed in the endangered species act in 1989My information is not wrong. The desert tortoise was listed in the Endangered Species Act in 1989, yes. Bundy's land was made a desert tortoise habitat in 1998. I quote from the article itself:
Elko County, Nev., Commissioner Demar Dahl said that the land in dispute in the case of rancher Cliven Bundy does belong to the federal government. However, hes part of a state-sanctioned task force charged with bringing public land under state control. He believes the governments response to the dispute has been unprecedented. The man who says hes a friend of Bundys also added that the rancher did try to pay the county his grazing fees instead of the federal government. I dont know why he hasnt mentioned this more often.I'm aware of all this. It doesn't give Bundy more legal standing or make him right. And if the county did take those grazing fees? They'd be wrong. County does not own the land. Transfer it to the county first and I'll agree.
The date being right or wrong is bullshit. The entire tortoise issue is bullshit. The Endangered Species Act is bullshit. Quit trying to defend the indefensible.
Bundy made a critical error in not signing the 1993 lease and paying the fees because it converted him from a stakeholder to a trespasser. Its probably true that the BLM intended to manage him into non-existence, but giving up his legal interest in the allotment is not the smartest way to fight city hall. The temporary victory of this weekend may turn out to be Pyrrhic in the long run.I agree with all of this. It is going to turn into a Pyrrhic victory, and if what I'm reading in Bundy's interviews is right, I think it's going to get worse. He appears to not recognize the federal government at all and sources indicate he started all this after visits from tax protester people in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
The original 1773 tea partiers were probably also in the wrong.
Sometimes a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do to defend his God-given rights.
Alright, that’s enough. Time to apply a little Troll-B-Gone.
I think that if he wasn’t paying his taxes, that the IRS would have been on him a very long time ago and the cattle would have been sold to pay them and this cattle battle would have never happened.
“That makes me question: has he paid his federal income taxes? Because if not, I’m betting an audit will be coming along and probably significant charges of tax evasion”
I think you have the imagination to either be a successful fiction writer or a new senior aide to Harry Reid. He likes to make stuff up about people too. Oh wait, maybe you already are a Ried aide. :-)
“That makes me question: has he paid his federal income taxes? Because if not, I’m betting an audit will be coming along and probably significant charges of tax evasion”
I think you have the imagination to either be a successful fiction writer or a new senior aide to Harry Reid. He likes to make stuff up about people too. Oh wait, maybe you already are a Ried aide. :-)
Under Nevada law the desert tortoise, since it was on the endangered species list, came under protected status IN NEVADA as early as 1991 and probably back to 1987, as I already noted. Available statuses for all reptiles were: game, unprotected, protected AND they had to be in one of the classifications.
I had already double checked.
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