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To: Robert Teesdale

I’m not sure “unpleasant” is how I would describe it. “Natural” might be more accurate.

The entire idea of the law is based on the idea of preventing blood feuds and vendettas through fair arbitration by someone more powerful than either side. However, if government does not fairly arbitrate, taking the side of a criminal or civil oppressor against the public, or even supporting them, the social contract has been broken, and the old rules come to the fore.

At least twice now, at Waco and Ruby Ridge, and truthfully much more than that, government has been seen by the public as tyrannical and oppressive, not unbiased, fair, or even concerned with legal recourse instead of massacre and brutality. And then, cynically vindicating those who carried out such abuses, and even promoting them for their offenses.

Even if some individuals, like Timothy McVeigh, respond in kind quickly to such acts, the public as a whole just watches and remembers, and while they are much slower to anger, the anger is there.

As with vigilante organizations, the public as a whole tries to remain non-violent until they are pushed to their limit. Arrogant tyrants in government always figure that they can arm enough of their government to put down the public; and more so, they figure they can purge their military and police of those who will not mindlessly oppress the public.

But this is a grave error on their part, because the military and the police are members of the public, and while some of them may be willing to turn their guns on civilians, there will always be many more who not only will not, but will turn their guns on those doing so.

When this happens, shortly thereafter, tyrannical politicians and bureaucrats find themselves hanging from light poles, often at the hands of those they thought were loyal to them. The public, as such, doesn’t even need to dirty its hands.


460 posted on 04/15/2014 7:11:12 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I’m not sure “unpleasant” is how I would describe it. “Natural” might be more accurate.

Well, yes. It's natural, and predictable. Still horrific. Micropreventable and macroinevitable thanks to human nature and the State.

The entire idea of the law is based on the idea of preventing blood feuds and vendettas through fair arbitration by someone more powerful than either side. However, if government does not fairly arbitrate, taking the side of a criminal or civil oppressor against the public, or even supporting them, the social contract has been broken, and the old rules come to the fore.

This is where the breakpoint of collectivist ideology fails, with mass murder as return on investment. Because they believe that the nature of Man can be changed with ideas, they force the process into default.

"At least twice now, at Waco and Ruby Ridge, and truthfully much more than that, government has been seen by the public as tyrannical and oppressive, not unbiased, fair, or even concerned with legal recourse instead of massacre and brutality. And then, cynically vindicating those who carried out such abuses, and even promoting them for their offenses


Even if some individuals, like Timothy McVeigh, respond in kind quickly to such acts, the public as a whole just watches and remembers, and while they are much slower to anger, the anger is there.

I don't think that speed of anger is a differentiator. The true differentiator is the speed of decision.

As with vigilante organizations, the public as a whole tries to remain non-violent until they are pushed to their limit. Arrogant tyrants in government always figure that they can arm enough of their government to put down the public; and more so, they figure they can purge their military and police of those who will not mindlessly oppress the public.

And most of the time that works. Until it doesn't.

But this is a grave error on their part, because the military and the police are members of the public, and while some of them may be willing to turn their guns on civilians, there will always be many more who not only will not, but will turn their guns on those doing so.

Indira Ghandi

Assassination of Karzai's Brother

MICE. Money, Ideology, Conscience, Ego. These are the drivers of treason. In this American situation, it is Conscience that is rearing its head. Conscience is the hardest one to put down.

When this happens, shortly thereafter, tyrannical politicians and bureaucrats find themselves hanging from light poles, often at the hands of those they thought were loyal to them. The public, as such, doesn’t even need to dirty its hands.

And he who becomes master of a city accustomed to freedom and does not destroy it, may expect to be destroyed by it, for in rebellion it has always the watch-word of liberty and its ancient privileges as a rallying point, which neither time nor benefits will ever cause it to forget. And what ever you may do or provide against, they never forget that name or their privileges unless they are disunited or dispersed but at every chance they immediately rally to them, as Pisa after the hundred years she had been held in bondage by the Florentines.

And as experience shows, many have been the conspiracies, but few have been successful; because he who conspires cannot act alone, nor can he take a companion except from those whom he believes to be malcontents, and as soon as you have opened your mind to a malcontent you have given him the material with which to content himself, for by denouncing you he can look for every advantage; so that, seeing the gain from this course to be assured, and seeing the other to be doubtful and full of dangers, he must be a very rare friend, or a thoroughly obstinate enemy of the prince, to keep faith with you. Machiavelli


As well:

Everything can collapse. Houses, bodies, and enemies collapse when their rhythm becomes deranged. Musashi

Rare friends rally, and the surety of the State is deranged.
467 posted on 04/15/2014 8:03:50 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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