Posted on 04/16/2014 7:50:44 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
| "Replacing the father with a welfare check is a libertarian nightmare come true" That's not a libertarian idea. That's a socialist-statist idea. |
Wrong. The Welfare State is a direct by-product and after effect of the libertarian agenda to destroy the bonds between the government and traditional marriages. Even worse, their lib agenda has now set the stage for same-sex marriages.
" Communism" is the ultimate 'big government' and anyone who stands against it is targeted as being a domestic terrorists. This whole piece is a liberal elite dog whistle of hatred toward traditional Americans.
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It is not two people in a marriage, it is the entire responsibility - the children created.
The state has a great stake in how those future citizens turn out.
Parents in an emotional state of grief or frustration can often make poor decisions that will effect their kids more than they realize. Asking the state to put a delay or require some counseling for the sake of the parents AND the kids - all existing and future citizen/taxpayer/police/soldiers - is a societal good with fairly low burden.
Certainly less burden that having to carry the child to term and raise the children thus far - just put some help out there and require them to make use of it.
This aint like an election that you can change in 2-4 years, this becomes permanent.
Same for abortion waiting periods - think about it and the consequences a bit longer - while you’re so emotionally charged understandably.
There are lives other than yours involved here that deserve a better chance than your current yearning choice for personal freedom will be sentencing them to.
The government properly has no legimate role in prolonging a marriage between people who have made the decision to end it. The state does have a role in assuring that any children or property that are the product of that marriage are handled properly with due regard for the children’s welfare.
That's the argument used by the statists here in CA to justify "transgendered" kids using the girls bathroom...and outlawing homosexual conversion therapy for anyone over 18.
It's NOT the same motive, I agree. But it IS the same legal justification.
Wrong.
The welfare state came about long before anyone heard the word "libertarian". It was a communist plot to destroy the country aided and abetted by the Democrat party.
Libertarians would allow people to sink or swim based on their own choices and would never advocate for transfer payments or paying folks to make bad choices.
A better argument could be made that both parties, dominated by statist do-gooders brought forth the welfare state.
For instance, very few Democrats value the moral underpinnings of the original America and sought to destroy it in that form.
Very few Republicans were willing to be called "insensitive" or "mean" by allowing those folks to starve in the streets.
Your gripe must be with the communist state, not libertarians. Libertarians did not create this mess.
Actually the author has it backwards. It is the introduction of no-fault divorce, allowing the government to dissolve what the parties to the marriage vowed as a permanent covenant, that is the introduction of big government. If there are those who wish to enter into marriage as only a conditional covenant then they should be allowed to do so. But the state should also recognize and allow those who wish to enter into marriage as a permanent covenant to likewise do so.
With the introduction of no-fault divorce we have the situation where marriage, which should be the most sacred of contracts, is actually less binding than a car loan. With no-fault divorce the state is outlawing marriage as a permanent covenant between a man and a women, and between the parents and their children.
Correct and that's the aspect of this they are desperate to avoid.
Single women with children are for all practical purposes married to the state and seek to maintain a stable relationship with the State above all other relationships, even above the relationship with their own children.
"After all", they reason, "I have to make concessions to the State in order to be a good mother to my children".
So, they ignore abuse of their self and their children in the government schools and social "safety net" system that's usually far more demeaning and psychologically abusive than anything their former husband was guilty of.
Lets simplfy this for you. The libertarians want the government out of marriages, right?
So do liberals. They obviously know that fewer marriages result in a greater dependecy on the Welfare State.
While I concede that libertarians are AGAINST the Welfare State and bigger government, they HAVE to know that their support for - say overturning DOMA will have an obvious conclusion:
Increasing the Welfare State.
Its the same thing with your liberal support for pro-dope laws. Do you honestly think adding millions of legal dopers won’t adversely affect our social productivity and at the same time increase the unemployment and welfare roles?
Democrats are counting on it. Just know that The 47 Percent can’t grow and increase without the help of you libertarians.
I read an account once of a woman in New York in the early 1960s who put herself through college by being "the other woman" in amicable divorce cases that required cause. The routine was that she would go to a hotel, meet the wife and husband and the private detective. She and the husband would take off their clothes and get in bed, the private eye would take a picture, then they'd get dressed and all go out to brunch.
Strong families and marriages are the basis for a strong society and nation. That is just a FACT.
Governments have an interest and responsibility to promote and preserve the same. True abuse, infidelity, abandonment are certainly valid reasons for pursuing divorce...but these are so often NOT the reasons for current breakups.
The church, too, needs to be more responsible in promoting and engendering strong husband and wife relations.
Increasing the Welfare State.
How does DOMA affect the Welfare roles?
Last I heard homos can't reproduce. But who knows, maybe the mad scientists have fixed that by now.
As for dope, I believe the greater harm comes to society from the militarized WOD. There was another Freeper, a Socon like yourself, that had a good idea.
Don't legalize, tax and control the sale of pot.
Just make possession legal. Don't "mainstream" ITS USE UNDER GOVERNMENT OR SOCIAL CODE.
Let the states decide.
The slippery slope for social conservatives...all who are reasoned and mean well...is that the exercise of Federal power could one day lead to national laws like we have here in CA. Kids can use any bathroom they want. Any locker room they want. etc.
That would make you go crazy.
In any case, AFAIK divorce is still expensive. Just because the divorce itself is a moot issue once one party files, there's still all the squabbling over assets and custody.
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