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EPA Closure of Last Lead Smelting Plant to Impact Ammunition Production (06 November 2013)
New American ^ | Wednesday, 06 November 2013 08:00 | Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.

Posted on 04/23/2014 4:42:27 PM PDT by Jean S

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To: eavesmac

my wife wants me to reduce, but I deflected her.


21 posted on 04/23/2014 5:10:14 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Jean S

America’s left:

F the Second Amendment...

...and every other bit of it if they get their chance.


22 posted on 04/23/2014 5:12:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Jean S

So who provides led for the ammo for the military?

Oh that’s right. What military...


23 posted on 04/23/2014 5:13:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Jean S

Our Constitution means nothing to these people. We have to make it mean something to them.


24 posted on 04/23/2014 5:17:01 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: refermech

Bingo!


25 posted on 04/23/2014 5:17:31 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: morphing libertarian

Water. I’ve been hearing about the water shortages for a couple of years now - and not the shortage caused by Cali Libs cutting off the water to save some snail, guppy, minnow or amoeba.. To be honest, I haven’t looked into it but apparently, the world is running out of water (so I’m told).


26 posted on 04/23/2014 5:18:01 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: morphing libertarian

Freedom?

Religion?


27 posted on 04/23/2014 5:18:25 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: DoughtyOne

Take the company public. Crowd fund the stock, use the proceeds to pay the fines and tell the Fed to F off.

Every gun owner can spend the price of a box of ammo to get the plant to open back up.


28 posted on 04/23/2014 5:20:22 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Sounds good to me.

Has the Repubican leadership in the House even uttered “EPA” or “BLM” over the last 20 years?

What a vast wasteland the Republican House is. Pathetic doesn’t begin to address it.


29 posted on 04/23/2014 5:22:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Jean S; All
Thank you for referencing that article Jean S. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

With all due respect to the author of the referenced article and his law credentials, here are my law credentials.

“3. The Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary as distinguished from technical meaning; where the intention is clear, there is no room for construction and no excuse for interpolation or addition.” —United States v. Sprague, 1931.

Regarding the EPA, with the exception of the federal entities indicated in the Constitution's Clause 17 of Secition 8 of Article I, and also federal lands acquired under the Eminent Domain Clause of the 5th Amendment, the major problem with the EPA is that the states have never delegated to the feds, via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate intrastate environmental issues.

And even if the states had delegated such powers to the feds, the Founding States had also made the first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, to clarify that all federal legislative powers are vested in the elected members of Congress. So Congress has a constitutional monopoly on federal legislative powers whether it wants it or not imo.

So by delegating legislative / regulatory powers to a constitutionally undefined federal agency like the EPA, Congress is not only wrongly protecting federal legislative powers from the wrath of the voters in blatant defiance of Sections 1-3 mentioned above, but Congress is delegating powers that the states have never delegated to it.

30 posted on 04/23/2014 5:24:50 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Jean S

what’s so bad about full copper .22 rounds? all those pre-1982 pennies will finally be worth something.


31 posted on 04/23/2014 5:35:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Jean S

is lead still used when they balance your tires ?


32 posted on 04/23/2014 5:37:20 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: liberalh8ter

water shortage is agenda 21 planning.

the goal of making western us less habitable by so many people.


33 posted on 04/23/2014 5:38:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Jean S

So the jackboots at the EPA will be dependent upon foreign ammunition (or non-lead based) suppliers.


34 posted on 04/23/2014 5:49:40 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SisterK
If the environmentalists REALLY cared about the environment they would RELAX some of the U.S. regulations to promote industry, mining, oil production, etc. As you say - it is exponentially worse in places like China. (No environmental rules, no worker safety rules, etc.)
35 posted on 04/23/2014 5:53:46 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Figment
I’ve heard that lead for ammo comes mainly from secondary smelters, recycled batterys and such. I’m sure someone on here has more info on that

That would be correct. MGD is a lead guy.

36 posted on 04/23/2014 6:02:15 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (No Mo (zilla). I'm going to the Opera instead.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I figured as much....which is why I haven’t wasted any time researching it.


37 posted on 04/23/2014 6:06:44 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Figment

Battery alloy has changed. Not so much lead in them.

Wheel weights now have a lot of zinc. Ruins your lead mix for casting. At least they are marked; “Zn”, I think.

Browsing Home Depot today (in CA). All solder I could find was ‘lead free’.

Lead for casting is still on the web. They ship it in the USPS flat rate boxes (ha ha).

Lead is EVIL, just one of many attack points on the citizen.


38 posted on 04/23/2014 6:16:11 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: Jean S
I seriously doubt this has anything to do with the price or availability of ammunition. Serious doubt.

Lead is cheap and China and other countries smelt thousands of tons. Ammo manufacturers can buy the bars made elsewhere.

Lead is selling for about $2.50/lb. If you buy a couple hundred pounds it will be a little cheaper.

A pound will provide 140grain of lead for 50 bullets.

$.05 each.

I assure you that a good Nosler 165gr bullet costs MUCH more than that.

The fear-mongering and panic in the article and in this thread is absurd.

39 posted on 04/23/2014 6:27:20 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
The fear-mongering and panic in the article and in this thread is absurd.

Have you bought any ammo recently and if so, how does the price compare to what you paid for the same ammo 2 years ago?

40 posted on 04/23/2014 6:45:53 PM PDT by Jean S
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