Posted on 04/24/2014 8:30:09 AM PDT by DannyTN
Young adults who smoke marijuana may be at risk for serious or even fatal heart problems, according to a study by French researchers on Wednesday.
The findings in the Journal of the American Heart Association raises new concerns about the safety of marijuana, just as many parts of the world are relaxing laws on its use and medicinal marijuana is gaining popularity for treating certain health conditions. ...
(Excerpt) Read more at uk.news.yahoo.com ...
It stunts the emotional and spiritual growth of people. Stops it dead in it’s tracks.
...you can, of course, cite the appropriate studies to back that statement...
It’s exactly WHERE our culture is headed...heck we’re 65% there already.
...and your remedy for that would be...to incarcerate adults for smoking marijuana...?
“Arrested development”
Exhibit A: Seth Rogen. Imagine everyone like that. Tweeting selfies of their bungholes.
On second thought, no, don’t imagine that. Talk about dain bramage.
A huge number of people are likely to drop alcohol completely. This terrifies alcohol companies and revenuers. From personal experience, very few people consume large quantities of both alcohol and pot. They simply do not go well together. There are also studies that show many people substitute pot for more dangerous drugs/alcohol: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2795734/
In any case, people who want to use pot always have and always will. Have you ever met ANYONE who doesn't use pot because of laws? They might avoid bringing it through an airport checkpoint but that's about it.
This is a plant that even children can grow and people are willing to pay $40 for a GRAM. It is literally easier than growing gold on trees. It is so easy to get and there is not a single person out there who doesn't use pot because of laws. The only reason people don't use it is personal preference so legalization will have almost no effect on actual use.
The profit will ALWAYS be there so taxpayers might as well benefit instead of giving it all to the underground. Right now 100% of the profit goes to criminals who use violence to do business. Prohibition ensures that no legitimate business or taxpayer will ever benefit. Instead of making dealers filthy rich, we can use the resources to improve society. You will also have ID checks and real established businesses that actually care about not selling to minors.
No, my remedy is to have the truth about pot out there instead of leftist propaganda dominating every single day...and so called conservatives carrying their water.
It has actually been an integral part of human civilization for most of history. It has followed the greatest civilizations and traders all around the world. At one point fields of it grew in every part of the world except the poles. Hemp is the most abundant source of fiber, oil, plant protein (the ONLY plant with complete protein) and medicinal compounds in the world. There are hundreds of known compounds in hemp that are directly symbiotic with the human body. It has been used in medicine for thousands of years and is unlike any other plant. Companies like Merck and Bayer began extracting and patenting it in the 19th century. The US government encouraged the growing of hemp through WWII and even gave subsidies.
My grandmother spoke of entire fields of it in Ukraine and couldn't believe it is illegal now. And yes, many many people smoked the tops. It was just considered very cheap tobacco with a kick and nobody cared. Tops were most commonly used in preparations by midwives for nearly every single birth in the villages.
Show me one historic document that shows it to be bad or evil. Most documents paint it quite positively. The truth is people have been using various grasses in their surroundings (smoking, eating, cooking) since the beginning of time. It was JUST A PLANT AND NOBODY CARED until the ludicrous 'reefer madness' propaganda campaign came along.
"There's not some grand conspiracy to keep pot underground. It's a simple recognition over thousands and thousands of years that humans and pot are NOT a good combination."
The conspiracy is to make and keep making MONEY. Numerous entrenched special interests were threatened by mechanized hemp production that began in the early 1930s (with the invention of the decorticator). Prohibition came soon in 1937. The prohibition of hemp was one of the greatest examples of government corruption ever seen. The reason they called it by the mongrel word "marihuana" was to pass the law without people knowing it is hemp. It was not even billed as a prohibition, only a tax. However, they never issued the tax stamps.
Ho do you explain all the deception in this bill? How do you explain the obvious false testimony from the government experts claiming to do experiments that are impossible and obviously lying about the drugs effects? It was obviously a bought-and-paid-for, carefully crafted, corrupt, underhanded law made purely to serve special interests.
Today, the conspiracy continues to prop up the law enforcement industry, connected dealers, alcohol companies and big pharma (who are the true dope dealers slowly making it mandatory to give addictive dope to your kids in school).
"It stunts the emotional and spiritual growth of people. Stops it dead in it's tracks. Legalize it and we have a whole generation in arrested development. A whole generation of idiots stuck at 14 or 15 or 16 years old or whenever they first started smoking dope."
How do you know this for a fact when not ONE study of twin humans or animals has shown any long-term difference when using pot? Not ONE study has shown any direct observation of brain changes.
What if people with arrested development, laziness, etc are simply more likely to abuse pot publicly and it doesn't actually cause it?
The law also changes your perception of the average pot consumer. I know many very successful people who have used it daily for decades but they can't say so in public due to the law.
We know for a fact that people with mental illnesses are several times more likely to be heavy tobacco smokers. Does that mean tobacco causes mental illness? No, it simply shows a correlation.
"It's EXACTLY why we have leftist thought dominating our government and society...because a bunch of idiot, hippy, dope smoking potheads ARE in charge and are perpetually stuck in an adolescent mindset and figure that their mindset is good for the country."
No, it is because the entire government is corrupt and their only goal is take our money at all costs. The "left", "right", etc issues are manufactured with the help of media to make 50% of the population feel like they won each election while they take turns robbing all of us. They repeat every 4-8 years, the next special interests get their turn at the trough and they all laugh at us fighting.
My feelings are summed up here:
5 Pro-Marijuana Arguments that Aren't Helping
Nobody gives a rip about hemp products. Nobody gives a rip about hemp versus paper. That's such a stupid argument. It's like saying that people who have trees on their property are threats to the paper industry. What a pant load.
The only reason, the ONLY reason, there is EVEN any argument is that pot smoking degenerates WANT to get high without fear of being illegal or being thought of as pot smoking degenerates.
In many ways the pro-pot lobby is like the homosexual lobby. Both want to engage in behavior that is harmful and socially unacceptable. They both pull out all kinds of crap to obscure the fact that they want to engage in behavior that is harmful and socially unacceptable. They both work very hard to brainwash and propagandize others into thinking that what they want to do isn't harmful and socially unacceptable.
Gee...homosexuality has been around for thousands of years.
Geee...pot has been around for thousands of years.
Gee...homosexuality was everywhere around and nobody cared until Christianity propagandized against it.
Gee...pot was everywhere around and nobody cared until big paper propagandized against it.
Gee....homosexuals are loving and accepting community members in all stratas of society...
Gee...pot smokers are loving and accepting community members in all strata of society....
Gee...some of our founding fathers were homosexuals.
Gee...some of our founding fathers smoked dope and grew hemp.
And so on and so forth. Pro-pot proponents ALWAYS use the tactics of the left. Demonize big business, make an emotional argument and tear down American institutions.
My bet is there will be no addressing this fact. Something these guys really want to avoid talking about and will quickly change the subject to using some logical fallacy or ad hominem that they criticize the left for (and rightfully so). The comments are already chock full of them.
didn't I just see your name over at zero hedge?
No emotions, just give me ONE FACT. The only argument I ever hear is "I saw/knew some dopers and they seemed like degenerates. I knew some kid who smoked pot and became a loser. I knew a guy who was high and killed his wife. Look at all those dirty hippies smoking in the park. I don't want everyone to be like that! Pot is satan's herb and destroys all spirits!". This is not scientific and does not prove pot causes anything. PURE 100% EMOTION without scientific method.
The only reason most pot smokers you meet are degenerates is because you have NO CLUE about the ones who are not. Successful pot consumers cannot speak about it due to this propaganda and stigma people like you perpetuate. I know extremely successful people who have used pot for decades but they can only tell very close people. It is the equivalent of a glass of wine or cig after work (but even safer). Nobody in a work or family environment will speak of it due to stigma.
The anti-hemp propaganda is supported by law enforcement, designer drug, alcohol and cotton industries. It is a complete 100% lie to keep certain people rich.
"Nobody gives a rip about hemp products. Nobody gives a rip about hemp versus paper. That's such a stupid argument. It's like saying that people who have trees on their property are threats to the paper industry. What a pant load."
I didn't say hemp products will revolutionize the country like many dumb hippies. I'm only saying that is the reason it was illegally and secretly outlawed in 1937. Because of money, not safety.
You'd give a HUGE rip if you stood to lose BILLIONS and your entire business from competition. One person with plants on their property or a small niche farmer is no threat but entire fields with mechanized production is a HUGE threat when the competitor's production economics are obviously far superior. For example, it might cost you $100 to output a ton of cotton fiber but hemp with the new technology now comes in at only $40. Do you think they would just give up their entire industry so easily? No, they buy lawmakers to keep making money.
The opium and designer drug industry sure gives a rip too. Opium is highly addictive, toxic and expensive to grow. Hemp can be grown by idiots indoors and can treat many of the same ailments as opiates. In the 1930s it was sold by drug makers like Bayer as a safe, non addictive alternative. With the new processing machine, it was becoming cheaper than opium too. Opium was also facing more regulation due to the Harrison Act so they had to level the field.
It's just simple economics and plenty of people had fortunes to lose.
So the big danger is people switching from alcohol to pot? Stoned instead of drunk. That’s an improvement? Following your logic the laws against pot have not and do not stop anyone from smoking it,right? So we may as well make it legal and profit from the addictions/damage? What about coke,meth,heroin? All of those are used despite laws and a FORTUNE is spent on them. Better the government profit from all drugs? Meanwhile- tobacco-which only harms the users body and does not DOPE people up, is demonized. Users are shunned, no advertising, no cigarette machines. We must do what is BEST for people’s health(despite their choice to use it) re. tobacco, but not marijuana??
Will it be ok for businesses to forbid pot smoking? Can people sue for second-hand smoke damages?
All I know is ANYTHING that hampers brain activity is worse than what doesn’t, and the more the brain is affected the worse it is. Kids get turned into zombies with drugs for ‘hyperactivity’ and now we’ll give permission to the adults to be stoned and zoned out too.
Imagine society with stoned adults, drunk adults, zombified kids( because stoned adults will think anyone not stoned is ‘hyperactive’, and those not self-medicating will suffer the consequences.
So if profit is your best defense I expect you will encourage profiting from ALL currently illegal drugs to deprive dealers and druglords of the fortune? By that logic we should open euthanasia/suicide centers and charge those who want to REALLY self-destruct. If they want to die-might as well make’em happy AND make some money from it,eh?
Yes, I sat in a courtroom for 2 years and assure you that is an improvement for most people. I'd rather they be sober but stoned IS less impairing and violent than drunk. I've never seen a raging violent stoner but encountered raging violent alcoholics every day in court. Most didn't even remember their crimes.
"What about coke,meth,heroin? All of those are used despite laws and a FORTUNE is spent on them. Better the government profit from all drugs?
Those drugs are 100% proven to be chemically addictive and toxic. Pot is the exact opposite. These drugs also require far more infrastructure to deliver so prohibition does cause a dent in their use. My point is that pot can be grown by any idiot in a yard, forest or closet so prohibition is useless. You can find it any city within 1 hour.
"We must do what is BEST for people’s health(despite their choice to use it) re. tobacco, but not marijuana??"
Many of the same restrictions for tobacco are found on legalized pot. Some even more so like age 21 instead of 18. They know restrictions can't be too harsh because people will turn back to illegal dealers. Pot can be grown easily anywhere. Tobacco can't.
"Kids get turned into zombies with drugs for ‘hyperactivity’ and now we’ll give permission to the adults to be stoned and zoned out too."
The difference with kids is the drugs are often requested by the school and MANDATORY. These are designer drugs with serious side effects and kids become chemically addicted for life. Pot has no proven long-term side effects and is not physically addictive in 99.9% of people.
Permission for adults is irrelevant for a plant so easy to get. Those who want pot already have it. The ONLY thing legalizing will do is change who makes the profit.
"By that logic we should open euthanasia/suicide centers and charge those who want to REALLY self-destruct. If they want to die-might as well make’em happy AND make some money from it,eh?"
Euthanasia is guaranteed self-destruction so it does not fit that logic. With pot, most people do not destroy themselves. I don't advocate destruction. I advocate the freedom to responsibly use something even though a few other people are not responsible with it.
There is a reason they made it illegal. It caused stuff like this:
http://www.ocalynchburg.com/news/2014/Jamisha%20Gilbert%20Death%20Report.pdf
Support for MEDICAL marijuana, not marijuana.
Placemark
Absolutely true.
This entire line or reasoning is a red herring..an illusion manufactured by those who to legalize pot. It's baloney. It's false. It's crap.
For a good debunking and some excellent comments: Debunking the Hemp Conspiracy Theory"
You'll see that this entire line of reasoning was pretty much invented by ONE guy and then duplicated and repeated across the internet.
It is impossible to directly prove government collusion with big business. These people are not stupid and everything is done off the record.
If you look at the fake testimony and timeline of federal prohibition against all forms of hemp, it becomes the best explanation. Why would they have experts give obvious false statements and ban hemp under the table?
Of course the other explanation is that Anslinger was such a racist that he was willing destroy the entire American hemp industry to be able to federally charge colored people.
Both explanations are equally as bad but money seems to be the more likely reason. If they wanted to attack colored people, they could have made specific laws against smoking it.
In any case, prohibition is utterly stupid since there is zero scientific evidence of any damage caused by using hemp as a drug. NOT EVEN ONE example. However, there is plenty evidence of industrial, agricultural and medical benefits.
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