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Disgrace: Phoenix VA Dumps Sick Veterans Into 'Secret Waiting Lists,' Some Die of Negligence
Townhall.com ^ | April 24, 2014 | Guy Benson

Posted on 04/24/2014 6:28:06 PM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 04/24/2014 6:28:06 PM PDT by Kaslin
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This makes me furious. The VA has been famous, or should I say infamous, for keeping vets for long, long periods of time even after they are treated. NOW, they’re not treating many of them at all.

God help all vets.


2 posted on 04/24/2014 6:36:13 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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the VA does not, (like the military does), consider its front line clinical workers as the key to the Mission. The military has supportive services, but all relate to the front line who have target on the enemy and are the key enforcers, ultimate enforcers, of the Mission.

while the military has its own issues with beauracracy it is nothing like the VA which is govt run through and through and easily can be adrift from its Mission: to provide access to quality care for our veterans. Thus you have a bulging top heavy upper management that is far removed from the Mission’s implementation and is an oligarchy unto itself within the govt.


3 posted on 04/24/2014 6:37:39 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Kaslin

Gov’t healthcare.


4 posted on 04/24/2014 6:37:52 PM PDT by umgud
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hey obama, is this Bush’s fault? you gd, mf, lyin pos


5 posted on 04/24/2014 6:39:28 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Most veterans get good care, as best as is possible considering the inanities of upper management, from caring and professional front line workers. But when you don’t operate with Mission in mind and listen to the front line as to what resources should be and what needs changing in the structure...this is what you get.


6 posted on 04/24/2014 6:40:05 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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kitkat:" This makes me furious. The VA has been famous, or should I say infamous, for keeping vets for long, long periods of time even after they are treated.
NOW, they’re not treating many of them at all."

Then have someone bring charges up to the State Medical Board for violation of Hippocratic oath.
Then have a relative file criminal charges of medical neglect, and bring civil charges and lawsuit .

7 posted on 04/24/2014 6:55:18 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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Been saying for years, Obamacare will make the VA health care system look like the Mayo Clinic.

THis typical, hidden story does not change that.

It’s been going on there for decades. It’s out now to make things look wrse than BO care.

what’s the difference between them? Nothing. Government health care.

Duh.

Oh... the VA has doctors.

Michelle has her grubby paws into the VA now. She’s all over talking about getting Vets jobs.

Whatever she’s up to, this came up pretty coincidentally. oh, along with a letter stating that id you have VA health care, you don’y have to fill out the yearly paper work, the IRS will check your income and report it to the VA and prove your eligibility.

Privacy? who cares when there’s stuff?

Communism anyone?


8 posted on 04/24/2014 6:57:47 PM PDT by stanne
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In fairness I want to put in a good word about the VA Health Center (hospital) in La Jolla (San Diego). I have been going there for treatment for 4 months and have been given timely appointments most of the time. In addition they are to be commended for their usual courtesy. There is room for improvement there too, especially in efficiency, but it’s apparent that not all VA hospitals are the same.


9 posted on 04/24/2014 7:04:14 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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La Jolla is a rich area. Very rich. The VA hospitals in other cities are much, much worse.


10 posted on 04/24/2014 7:16:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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The VA hospitals in other cities are much, much worse.

I'm sure that's true. I was just pointing out an exception. Rhe one I went to previously in Hampton VA was worse. I lost part of a foot because of delayed treatment.

11 posted on 04/24/2014 7:20:22 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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So glad that the brave Dr. Sam Foote waited until after he had “just retired” to blow the whistle.


12 posted on 04/24/2014 7:24:45 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "...[willful] ignorance is the opiate of academic elites." - Mike Adams [BN edit])
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WTF! BTTT!


13 posted on 04/24/2014 8:43:04 PM PDT by PGalt
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Care does vary from hospital to hospital and clinic to clinic. I have used Fayetteville, AR and Tulsa and Muskogee, OK have have received very good service.


14 posted on 04/24/2014 8:46:37 PM PDT by Datom (Still runnin' "Against the Wind."d)
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The hospital in Milwaukee has been wonderful for my husband for years. He gets terrific care and the staff are very nice and appear to care.


15 posted on 04/24/2014 8:59:13 PM PDT by ozaukeemom (Is there even a republic left?)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

You are exactly right. Being a fedgov entity the VA has 3-4 administrative staff for every medical provider in the clinics. There is no other healthcare entity in the USA that is that top heavy with REMFs.

Who gets the annual bonuses? The admin staff, of course.

The providers are tasked with finding a way to get care for the vets in spite of all of the administrative obstacles. You have to be persistent and practice the USMC philosophy (or at least it used to be) of over, under, around, or through.


16 posted on 04/24/2014 9:02:34 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: ozaukeemom

The VA will be the best med system in the country before long. Not by improvement, by default.

Obamacare is like a bomb.

This is just an effort to denigrate it (the VA), in my opinion.

The VA is good. When you get in with a group who cares.


17 posted on 04/24/2014 9:33:18 PM PDT by stanne
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Drag them into the streets and set them on fire. Then burn their homes to the ground. Put it all on YouTube.


18 posted on 04/24/2014 9:37:37 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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I go to the VA. It’s a great place to get meds. But don’t get real sick.


19 posted on 04/24/2014 9:41:58 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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The only issue we have is that it is about 40 minutes away. However, anytime he has had to go to the local hospital, the VA covers it, as long as it is necessary, so we are happy right now. The ER is good at the VA hospital, although we also know the worse times to go.
Anyway, it depends a lot on the personnel and it is really good here. They work with Froedtert and the Medical College of Wisconsin, so the doctors are pretty wonderful. I am not sure if they still do, but years ago, there were rotations between the facilities.


20 posted on 04/24/2014 9:43:16 PM PDT by ozaukeemom (Is there even a republic left?)
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