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BUNDY, THE BLM, AND THE WHISKEY REBELLION
Breitbart ^ | April 30, 2014 | by JARRETT STEPMAN

Posted on 04/30/2014 11:17:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

The tense standoff at the Cliven Bundy ranch in Clarke County, Nevada tapped into a wellspring of government distrust that dwarfed Bundy's specific situation. A comparable event from just over 200 years ago, the “Whiskey Rebellion,” suggests the government's efforts to quell small pockets of insurrection like Bundy and his allies can easily cause more political problems than they're worth.

Although the 1794 incident was at a vastly larger scale than the standoff in Bunkerville, Nevada, the situations share important parallels including the use of what many people in each situation considered the disproportionate use of force by the government.

In Bundy's case, the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is demanding that Bundy remove his family’s herd of cattle from federal land, due in part to the presence of tortoises, and claims he owes them $300,000 in grazing fees. Bundy claimed he would do “whatever it takes,” to keep using the land, denied the authority of the federal government, and said that his stand is “a statement for freedom and liberty and the Constitution.” While few question the federal government’s legal right to the land, many view it as government overreach and wonder about federal priorities elevating tortoises over human beings.

In response, a veritable army of hundreds of federal officers and helicopters arrived and began rounding up Bundy’s cattle, intentionally killing several of them. Following a four-day standoff in which both the federal agents and Bundy supporters had trained snipers on each other, the federal government abruptly backed off, at least for now.

BLM has come under fire for aggressive tactics across the West. Texas Attorney General said of the BLM’s plan to seize 90,000 acres of land along the Texas/Oklahoma state line “out of bounds” and “offensive.” Abbot said he would “raise a ‘Come and Take It’...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; blm; bundy; bundyranch; bunkerville; constitution; federalland; militia; nevada; policestate; teaparty; teapartyrebellion; texas; tyranny; whiskeyrebellion
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1 posted on 04/30/2014 11:17:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Washington’s response to the Whiskey Rebellion was NOT one of his noblest moments.


2 posted on 04/30/2014 11:22:30 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Come And Take It.


3 posted on 04/30/2014 11:29:16 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Jim Robinson
There should be a nationwide Whiskey Rebellion against the must buy provision of 0DontCare.

Note that the Whiskey Tax was repealed ~7 years after the Rebellion.

4 posted on 04/30/2014 11:29:26 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Jim Robinson

Excellent article, Jim. Excellent. Entirely applicable to the BLM and Cliven Bundy. Entirely applicable to today’s federal and many nanny-state governments. Another reason to respect Thomas Jefferson. I’ve added the term “Watermelon Army” to my vocabulary.


5 posted on 04/30/2014 11:34:36 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: BenLurkin
It absolutely was.

The protestors attacked a man in his own home and burned his house down for daring to enforce the laws that Congress passed.

The organizers were leftist scum who were trying to recreate the French Revolution in the USA.

When Washington showed up to restore order, the cowards scattered.

6 posted on 04/30/2014 11:35:23 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

The Whiskey Tax was a gov’t overreach and soon repealed.


7 posted on 04/30/2014 11:41:02 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Jim Robinson
I love this quote. Might have post it over my bar.
James Jackson of Georgia, a dogged opponent of the treasury secretary’s entire plan, said that the American people had a right to get drunk, “that they have been long in the habit of getting drunk and that they will get drunk in defiance of a dozen colleges or all the excise duties which Congress might be weak or wicked enough to impose.”
8 posted on 04/30/2014 11:44:57 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: wideawake

You don’t know your history.

Many involved in the Whiskey Rebellion were not fans of the French Revolution as you maintain.

My family was in the Western Pennsylvania area when this happened. Not entirely sure if they were involved or not, but I highly suspect so.

Google the Rev. John Corbly and then come back and tell me that he was a “leftist.”


9 posted on 04/30/2014 11:50:24 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks Jim. Will read this one later.


10 posted on 04/30/2014 11:50:53 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Paladin2
The Whiskey Tax was a gov’t overreach and soon repealed.

It was hardly "overreach" - it was necessary to pay war debts so that the US could build its international credit.

It was repealed seven years later, largely because Kentucky and Tennessee had joined the Union by then and they were against the tax.

You understand what was going on: Congress did not want to pass an income tax (which everyone opposed), or a tariff (which agrarians especially opposed), and so settled on an excise which eastern agrarians could live with.

11 posted on 04/30/2014 11:56:41 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Western Pa. objected to a targeted tax.


12 posted on 04/30/2014 11:58:55 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: BenLurkin
What's left out of the article is any mention of Shay's Rebellion in 1786-87 and how its exposure of the weakness of the new national government directly led to the new compact of the Constitution, followed by the Militia Act of 1792, which was the law invoked by Washington in crushing the Whiskey Rebellion.

Frankly, after Shay I think the government was looking for a chance to set an example.

13 posted on 04/30/2014 11:58:55 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: wideawake
The organizers were leftist scum who were trying to recreate the French Revolution in the USA.

I don't agree with you sir, as to either of those assertions.

14 posted on 04/30/2014 12:02:11 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: wideawake

Another facet of the whole story that I found interesting when reading about it a while back was that making whiskey was basically the most efficient way of bringing your crop to market. Farmers on the frontier were producing large amounts of grain, but lacked any way to transport it in bulk, so turning it into whiskey made it a much more convenient form.


15 posted on 04/30/2014 12:03:35 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: sauropod
You don’t know your history.

You're not really qualified to judge, given what follows.

Many involved in the Whiskey Rebellion were not fans of the French Revolution as you maintain.

Sorry, but contemporary accounts of the March on Pittsburgh - by far the largest gathering of Whiskey Rebels - show it was led by David Bradford, an admirer of Robespierre.

At the largest meeting of the Whiskey Rebellion leadership where they drafted their resolutions, the convention was led by Bradford and Herman Husband, another advocate of Jacobinism.

the Rev. John Corbly

Corbly did not have Bradford's status in the movement. He was one of the ones who turned tail, but Washington pardoned him.

16 posted on 04/30/2014 12:06:21 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: BenLurkin
I don't agree with you sir, as to either of those assertions.

The historical record is clear.

Bradford was a radical and a supporter of the Jacobins.

17 posted on 04/30/2014 12:07:24 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Jim Robinson

Famous Whiskey Rebellion in Western Pennsylvania. A large mob with tarred-and-feathered tax collector riding on a rail. 1794


18 posted on 04/30/2014 12:08:23 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Jim Robinson
my problem is a judge basically ruled that various federal agencies/employees were engaged in basically a criminal conspiracy...

- how many were terminated from employment?
- how many were imprisoned?
- was restitution every ordered for the 'taking'?
- why has BLM continued to operate in this manner?

someone needs to check with Clair and find out what time it is...

19 posted on 04/30/2014 12:08:32 PM PDT by Abundy
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Isn’t it strange that that range used to accommodate 54 ranches and now it can’t even handle one!?! Must be some really lousy Land Management going on there.


20 posted on 04/30/2014 12:08:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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