Posted on 05/13/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by AU72
>> In the days of the Soviet Union, one could not join the priesthood without approval of the State. Think about that for a minute. <<
This is true. And it was true also in Poland. The Soviets were wrong about Pope John Paul II, and I don’t imagine they were always right about the Orthodox. Among the orthodox, concealing one’s true faith is even more critical, because SOMEONE must keep alive the flame. I have no reason to suppose Kirill was the closeted anti-communist hero John Paul was, but neither do I have reason to suppose that those who reformed Russia after the fall of communism were fools to believe in him.
Was probably Joe Biden since his family stands to gain.
Do you even know what you're talking about? Kirill was elected recently in 2009, and all the candidates also had codenames with the KGB. He is not a 'reformer' at all. He is a replacement for the last Kremlin controlled patriarch.
Your hero Kirill, when not making money from selling cigarrets, gets involved in stupid stuff like airbrushing out watches from publicity photos of his website:
"When accused of wearing a Swiss Breguet watch worth over £20,000, Kirill denied having worn it, saying that any photographs showing him wearing it must be fakes. However, photographs on his official website showed it on his wrist[43] and one even showed it airbrushed out, but with a reflection of it still visible on a table surface.[53] Kirill responded by saying that "the guilty ones [for the image manipulation] will be punished severely".[53] A spokesperson added that it was "unethical" to discuss Kirill's private life, and the Russian Orthodox Church said on 4 April 2012 that foreign forces were taking revenge on it for supporting Putin: "The attacks have become more prominent during the pre-election and post-election period [... This] shows their political and also anti-Russian motives."[43] In June 2012, Kirill was given the Silver Shoe Award (given in Russia each year “for the most dubious achievements in show business") for "immaculate disappearance of a watch” in the category "Miracles up to the elbows”. The award found a pained reaction from representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church.[54]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirill_I_of_Moscow#Links_with_the_KGB
Nuts
It wasn’t poison gas
It was narcotic gas
What killed them was how they laid after knocked out
Suffocated
Should have been on their sides
And that means what, exactly???
It doesn’t change a thing about your not-a-Nazi Nazi’s...
It's more powerful, as that is the leader of a nation, while your "Not-a-Nazi Nazis" are a minority in Ukraine.
>> The one Catholic priest I read about IN HIS DESCRIPTION OF EVENTS had a little shrine set up in his living room in honor of Bander. This is unbelievable, since Bander anaihilated an entire community of 10s of 1000s of Polish-Ukrainians in a futile attempt to win favor of the fuhrer. <<
Here’s your article:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ukrainian-catholics-experiencing-total-persecution-in-crimea/
You’ll note that the ignorant journalist accepted the priest’s characterization of who Stepan Bandera was. Bandera’s allegiance was rejected by the Nazis, and he was imprisoned. Nonetheless when the Nazis let him free, his followers slaughtered about 80,000-120,000 Poles to ingratiate the Nazis.:
FROM THE ARTICLE: ‘ Upon seeing a Ukrainian flag at his home and portraits of Roman Shukhevych and Stepan Bandera – Ukrainian nationalists who fought against both the Nazis and the Soviets in the 1940s and 50s — inside, Fr. Kvych’s captors accused him of being in the “SS Army,” a reference to Nazi Germany. ‘
But I wonder if that means that Priest was really a Nazi? And if there isn’t some mythology surrounding Bandera to begin with?
“Myth 2 – “Nachtigall” Battalion organized a pogrom against Poles and Jews in Lviv.
According to the conclusions of a government commission for the study of the OUN and UPA, created in 1997 by the order of Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma, the murders of Jews, Polish intelligentsia, and Soviet sympathizers in the first days of the occupation of Lviv, known as the “Slaughter of the Lviv Professors” (Lviv Civilian Massacre), were all the work of the German SD and a nationally-oriented unorganized mob.
While one might suspect official Ukrainian historians of not being objective, we do know that immediately following the proclamation of the “Act of Revival”, “Nachtigall” personnel were given a week off, and their German advising officer, Theodor Oberländer, was demoted and called back to Prague.
Several investigators have not ruled out the possibility that some of the pogrom participants might have been “Nachtigall” soldiers in civilian clothes.
The version placing the blame on “Nachtigall” was manufactured by the Soviet Union in 1960 and was directed mainly against Oberländer, who at that time was Minister of Displaced Persons in the government of Konrad Adenauer.
On the eve of abandoning Lviv, the NKVD [People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs of the Soviet Union] shot to death 2,466 inmates of the local prison. Similar mass executions occurred in other Western Ukrainian cities. In Drohobych, there were 1,101 “category one losses;” in Stanislav (now Ivano-Frankivsk), 1000; in Ternopil, 674; and in Rivne, 230.
Roman Shukhevych’s brother was one of those executed.
“Because this occurred while we were retreating under enemy fire, the prison staff did not always have time to carefully bury and conceal the corpses,” testified the NKVD Ukrainian prison chief, A. Filippov, in Moscow on July 12.
The stench of bodies decomposing in the summer heat was so strong that Germans working on the premises of the Lviv prison wore gas masks. The public was immediately granted access, which to a large extent provoked the pogrom.
Goebbels shared these horrific findings with the press in neutral countries. This information became graphically imprinted in the eyes of world opinion.
In the view of a number of historians, the USSR authorities decided to lump their own atrocities with the Nazis’, and blame them all on “Nachtigall”.”
http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/03/10/four-myths-about-stepan-bandera/
Brezhnev was Russian, and Stalin was Russian culturally.
So was Khrushchev, although some incorrectly identify him as Ukrainian.
You’re using the “No True Scotsman fallacy.”
Not in power... Unless of course, you count taking over the buildings surrounding the Rada. And occupying them, saying it is to make sure the members remain intimidated. There’s more than one way to be in power.
And Right Sector is indeed, in power.
‘’It’s more powerful, as that is the leader of a nation’’
So true, as there are more nazis in russia than
the rest of the world.
How about this bit from a St Pete russian...
‘I am Russian and I am against all these chavs crawling to Russia from Donbas. We have enough of our own, the very same, which our government shares with you, all these “little green men”, Cossacks and other duds.
Before crawling into Russia the lumpens of Donbas should ask me what I think about it.
I understand that they are not interested in my opinion, well, then I should not be interested in their opinion and wishes.
They do not think that their temporary government is legitimate? But they have legitimate and not at all temporary parliament. So, what is there to cry about? In two weeks time they will have the elections, which will let them elect a legitimate president, which will then form a legitimate and permanent government. So, what is the question? Then the question is not about this? Then what about? A military secret? Well, interesting, whose military secret?
This is not a secret of lumpens and soviets of Donbas, they don’t know it themselves. Moreover, they don’t know what they want at all and what they are allowed to want, they are whispered into the ear and they agree with everything because they are offered benefits, which we, citizens of Russia do not have, and they won’t have it plus they will lose that little that they have.
I would like to point out to the chavs of Donbas that in Russia the question of legitimacy of the President, government and parliament is much bigger than their claims to Kyiv. Even your imbecile Yanukovich was head and shoulders above Putin in legitimacy, and there was no question about legitimacy of Yanukovich, you have elected him yourself, even though bewildering yourself.
President of Russia is illegitimate, that’s why he went to you to get his legitimacy. Yeah, you thought that he comes to you to give you something or protect you from contrived and instilled in you fears? No, he comes to you to protect his own fears. One scam is always drawn to another.
“Elections” of the Russian President were not elections, they were an operation similar to that which is going on at your place. The result of those “elections” was announced to Russia six months before the “elections” took place and Russia, let’s give it its due, did not agree with it. But who asked? Nonetheless, the question is not closed, it is only postponed. Soon our chavs will come out from their binge and will suffer from a serious hangover.
To avoid such questions in the future, the authorities, with the help of illegitimate Duma, created such chaos of laws that driving on the right side in Russia is illegal because is sounds like “Right Sector”. You are being led to the same. Do you agree with that? If so, than it is your business, but we don’t need you with your agreement, well, you are not needed without it either.
I have no sympathy towards your bawlers, moreover they disgusts me.
This your commander Strelkov – Girkin with a rabbit jaw, why the heck he is called a colonel, being without a military education? His maximum rank could be no higher than an ensign. What made him a colonel? Ukrainian exchange rate against the dollar? Why not against the ruble? Well, because in that case his rank would be a lance-corporal.
Well, actually Putin does not have a military education either, yet he is a lieutenant colonel. But it is not a real lieutenant colonel, it is a special title. Everything Putin has is special – special education, special title, special elections, special president, special singer, special swimmer, special hockey player and so on. There will be a special end to this list.
Your gutta-percha lumpen Ponomarev, who crows as a cool eagle or as a cock in front of the chavs on the square and belittling obsequiously even before the rabbit Girkin. If you meet such personage on the street, you might take him for a cheap electrician after an electric shock. I saw somewhere that he was a chief of a ritual funeral service. Symbolic.
And this Tsar of your chavs – Tsaryov! Here the nature truly played a trick on you and substitute your Lincoln with a pig! Even Yanukovich is a high intellectual compare to him. Unfortunately when they were filming the “Dog’s heart”, this idiot could not make it into the leading role of Sharikov, as he was still a puppy, otherwise it would not be even a question, he is a spitting image. Look at the portrait.
I give you an example of his last message:
A very important question – what is next? Meaning what to do tomorrow and the day after tomorrow? We must at first hold on to our won positions, meaning the referendum. That is why during the formation of new institutions, including the army, we hope that the militia will remain with us, to protect our victory”..
Are you not laughing yet? Are you not ashamed? They I will try to chew it up for you:
“hold on to our won positions, meaning referendum” – in Russian this phrase means that the results of the referendum are fought for and not decided by the participants of the questioning (referendum) – read it again.
Go further:
“we hope that the militia will remain with us” – not laughing yet? Militia is a formation from local residents. Precisely local, as the formation from other citizens is not militia, it is called differently. Can you tell me where all your grown up men (as the militia consists of them) should disappear? Become migrant workers?
How can one make 5 mistakes writing a word that has only three letters, and that’s if count only grammar mistakes? Unless these are not mistakes but a sincerity of an idiot, who did not grow up to even such false and primitive politics?
As report eyewitnesses, many owners of shops in the centre of Mariupol put a sign up that “everything is already stolen”. Glass and jalousie are broken in most shops. Everything and everyone is robbed, even the kiosks.
I don’t know what the pensions are like in Ukraine, but I see our grans when they are in front of me at the checkout. I see how they count coins in wrinkled hands. Many of them survived the blockade during the WWII, that’s why their money are wrapped in paper, presumably the pension is in the wallet at home and the daily budget is wrapped in papers, in case if anything will get lost, than not all together. They are bustling guiltily in front of the cashier trying to keep within the budget, which they had in mind leaving the house. Believe me, to be behind them in a queue is a sight to behold… No matter how they fuss, they significantly delay the queue, putting aside and returning a little packet of cheese or half of loaf of bread, unsure what to take and what to sacrifice and look at their hand again. They cannot afford both products. Every penny is spoken for a year in advance. They do not walk around town, as one must have funds for transport to do this, and one can’t walk much between the town buildings. St Petersburg is not Ukraine neither in climate nor in prices. That’s why they are hurrying up inside their burrow to wait until the next trip to the shop; they have nothing to do there, just watch the TV and you are there! You and spitting Kisilyov and Mamontov. Grans worry about your idiots and take the medicine. Grans do not understand that if you are taken into Russian, they will not have to chose between two commodities. I am afraid, there will be no more choice. Not all of our grans managed to visit the Crimea and now even less will be able to do so. Some of their coins will flow there, as they do into the Kadirov’s “fund of Allah”.
I am against joining more chavs to Russia. And you are not good as citizens either, you have already shown yourselves. These are the people without their motherland, whatever flag is given to them they will follow where they are told to. Give them a flag, as they say about idiots in Russia (actually, half of our country are also with this happiness in their hands).
Dear Ukrainians, I hope that you understand me – this is not Nazism, this is a feeling of basic hygiene. We got our own shit. And you have not been spared by God in that either. I do feel for you and hope that you share my feelings.
With respect, St Petersburg. All the best.
Glory to Ukraine!
This record is also available in: Russian
http://inforesist.org/i-am-rus...-joining-us/?lang=en
One could easily post Nazi pictures from Russia.
One could easily post pro Russians in Ukraine worshiping statues of Lenin, pictures of Stalin and symbols of the Hammer and Sickle.
Your bias shows.
A lot.
Yeah, sure...
Says the guy who denies that Ukrainian Nazi’s even exist.
What??
That's a strawman fallacy. You make something up and you knock it down.
I never said Ukrainian Nazi's don't exist.
Don't put words in my mouth. You're not smart enough.
Are you talking about the Ukrainian interim government? They were elected in 2012, so I think it's okay for them to "occupy" parliament. Or are you saying that "Right Sector" is occupying parliament? You're free to provide proof. I do know there is a photo of parliament when it was temporarily occupied... months before the Maidan, by Svoboda. Don't post those pictures because it will just annoy me. Please show me evidence of Right Sector holding on to government buildings.
I love this guy’s humor!
“This your commander Strelkov – Girkin with a rabbit jaw, why the heck he is called a colonel, being without a military education? His maximum rank could be no higher than an ensign. What made him a colonel? Ukrainian exchange rate against the dollar? Why not against the ruble? Well, because in that case his rank would be a lance-corporal.”
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