Posted on 05/13/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by AU72
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*historians will note that the influence goes back even farther
And before anyone misunderstands, I’m speaking of the Russian flavors.
Where did I say Dugin was a "close buddy" of Putin? I don't know if they are personal friends. This is your distortion. I said that Dugin has a top position in a University and is featured on state-run Russian media, on top of having ties with the Kremlin. All of this is true, and, being true, that obviously means he has support from the regime, otherwise he would never be allowed to maintain such a position. And where in the quote that I provided is there any indication that Dugin is blaming the communist party of acting reflexively as national conservatives and Orthodox Monarchists? This is merely an observation, not an accusation.
I didn’t attack the subjective portions of your post because they are subjective. I attacked your objective assertion because it was plainly, objectively, ridiculously false, thus impeaching your subjective interpretations.
I can't help but to notice that perfectly normal Freepers in the past, now basically write posts like they are fighting a propaganda war against their opponents. Your posts consistently spin and distort what others write.
Nonsense. And here we see your continued reliance on any hammer to beat your point with: Litvinenko was a neo-communist. Middle Eastern terrorism was developed by the IRA, based on an ideology developed by Hitler.
The US invaded Eastern Europe and handed land sacred to Russia, Kosovo, to bin Laden and his pals. Yes, that’s right: bin Laden wasn’t in Afghanistan in the 90s, he was fighting with Clinton in the former Yugoslavia. Then the Clinton administration created a power vaccuum in Afghanistan which only then bin Laden filled. Our “ally” in Egypt imported every terrorist in the Middle East to his “prisons” which he ran like Terrorism University, until he became too independent-minded for Obama and opposed the Muslim brotherhood.
We didn’t have Qadaffi killed when he was a terrorist; we killed him when he ceased being one.
I think you better hope that Freepers don't know anything about history, or, at least, are so demoralized by Kremlin psyops that they do not flinch with such comparisons.
Putin sounds like he was praising Stalin
>> I can’t help but to notice that perfectly normal Freepers in the past, now basically write posts like they are fighting a propaganda war against their opponents. Your posts consistently spin and distort what others write. <<
Are you serious? You’re citing National Bolsheviks and neo-communists in an effort to defend an article accepting Islamofascists’ crazed conspiracy theories as facts, and you say I write like I’m fighting a propaganda war when I call your absurd untruths absurd? Write like an American and I’ll respond to you like an American. Write like a staff member for the Banderites, and I’ll respond to you like a staff member for the Banderites.
Interesting to note that you believe land in the former Yugoslavia is "sacred" to Russia.
I don't know if Litvinenko is really a neo-communist, or even what a "neo-communist is" (what not loyal to Moscow?) But, I do know he was a member of the Russian intelligence service, and therefore has access to the things he claims to know about, who was also poisoned with Polonium-210, with killers who fled to Russia whom the regime refuses to do anything about.
As for your statement, I do not know if the Islamists became Hitlerians at some point, but the KGB's work with Middle Eastern terrorism is certainly undeniable.
"Before I defected to America from Romania, leaving my post as chief of Romanian intelligence, I was responsible for giving Arafat about $200,000 in laundered cash every month throughout the 1970s. I also sent two cargo planes to Beirut a week, stuffed with uniforms and supplies. Other Soviet bloc states did much the same....
I was given the KGB's "personal file" on Arafat. He was an Egyptian bourgeois turned into a devoted Marxist by KGB foreign intelligence. The KGB had trained him at its Balashikha special-ops school east of Moscow and in the mid-1960s decided to groom him as the future PLO leader. First, the KGB destroyed the official records of Arafat's birth in Cairo, replacing them with fictitious documents saying that he had been born in Jerusalem and was therefore a Palestinian by birth."
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/arafatkgb.html "Incredibly, Arafat’s successor, Mahmoud Abbas, was educated in Moscow at a KGB-run school. Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini was also trained by Moscow. And even the top man in Al-Qaida, Ayman al-Zawahiri, was trained by the KGB, as revealed by KGB defector Alexander Litvinenko, who was assassinated by Polonium poisoning."
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/ex-spy-chief-how-kgb-created-islamic-jihad/#bXLsAXLofKdiTU8M.99
The US invaded Eastern Europe and handed land sacred to Russia, Kosovo, to bin Laden and his pals. Yes, that’s right: bin Laden wasn’t in Afghanistan in the 90s, he was fighting with Clinton in the former Yugoslavia.
What land 'sacred to Russia' is that? And are you about to tell me that Bin Laden is a CIA agent? I think the forum will be interested with this.
Are you seriously trying to use Alexandr Dugin, a known Kremlin ideologist, back on me in return? If I start to quote Putin quoting Stalin, would you accuse me of being a Stalinist?
>> The Orthodox Church (and to be fair, the Catholic Church) has been an arm of the Russian government since the beginning of the Cold War.* And if the Russians don’t approve of a church, they close it. <<
Tell that to the 85,000 Orthodox priests that Stalin had killed in a single year. By 1940, there were fewer than 500 Russian churches with an Orthodox pastor.
Yes, by the time that Stalin was done killing MOST of the Russian priests, those that remained were those that were aquiescent to Stalin, to their everlasting infamy. But that half of one percent of survivors are the exception, not the rule, and it is beyond obscene to paint the victims of Stalin’s crimes as the perpetrators.
In fairness, I’m a Catholic, and the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church, being based in a single nation, was capable of being destroyed is a fundamental reason I subscribe to the notion of catholicity over national churches; there is a foundational flaw in the ROC which made it vulnerable. But that doesn’t make what you wrote of those 85,000 martyrs any less horrible; I pray you wrote it out of pure ignorance.
“Nothing happened in Ukraine till Putin stopped Obama from helping Al Qeida in Syria. Then Nuland and Obama dumped 5 billion onto the heads of Ukrainian opposition groups.
We started this nightmare for those people.”
BINGO....
If the government hadn’t been violently overthrown with OUR MONEY, there would still be a Ukrainian Flag flying over Crimea, and no Civil War in the Southeast.
I don’t think that Obama and the minions ever calculated that Putin would counter-move the way he did. They just thought this would create a thorn in his side big enough to distract from Obama attacking Syria again.
OOPS....
I guess you're helping us understand why the partriarch Kirill is a known agent of the KGB?
In fairness, I’m a Catholic, and the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church, being based in a single nation, was capable of being destroyed is a fundamental reason I subscribe to the notion of catholicity over national churches
So how'd you feel about those Catholic priests that were kidnapped in Crimea and threatened?
Yes, the Bolsheviks killed priests who opposed them. So what? The ones who remained, and joined, were compromised. And funneled information to the KGB.
We get it already...
The not-a-Nazi Nazi’s, with the Nazi flags, Nazi salutes, and Nazi celebrations, aren’t Nazi’s, they are Not-a-Nazi Nazi’s.
And the coup that wasn’t a coup was actually a Not-A-Coup coup.
Doesn’t that all sound a little cuckoo to you??
Didn’t RT report that it was eleventy billion million dollars? You should know. They probably tweeted it.
>> I guess you’re helping us understand why the partriarch Kirill is a known agent of the KGB? <<
Actually, yes, I’m explaining that the only survivors are those that the KGB thought would be useful. But I don’t know how to hold that against Kirill; Pope John Paul II was the greatest anti-communist that ever lived, and the communists signed off on his elevation to Archbishop of Gdansk.
>> So how’d you feel about those Catholic priests that were kidnapped in Crimea and threatened? <<
The one Catholic priest I read about IN HIS DESCRIPTION OF EVENTS had a little shrine set up in his living room in honor of Bander. This is unbelievable, since Bander anaihilated an entire community of 10s of 1000s of Polish-Ukrainians in a futile attempt to win favor of the fuhrer. I was deeply scandalized by reading that account. But then, there are Catholic nuns in America who support Obamacare, so I’ve learned long ago that clerics can put worldly concerns ahead of the true faith.
The not-aNazi Nazis who poll at about 1 to 2 percent in Ukraine? If you want to make us believe that Nazis run Ukraine, you have to hope we don't actually have enough sense to check.
Your BS has become tiring...
Was Pope John Paul an agent of the KGB or Gustapo, or a collaborator with any Nazis or communists that we aren't aware of?
The one Catholic priest I read about IN HIS DESCRIPTION OF EVENTS had a little shrine set up in his living room in honor of Bander. This is unbelievable, since Bander anaihilated an entire community of 10s of 1000s of Polish-Ukrainians in a futile attempt to win favor of the fuhrer.
Really? Can you post the evidence for that?
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