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CMI's caption and image:

Each flash indicates a conflict in sequence between the biblical account and the big bang evolution story. Note that ‘long-age creationists’, though they deny biological transformism, hold to the identical order of appearance as evolutionists. There are 23 in total shown here. Credit: Idea from Russ Humphreys.

Fishtank's comment: Russ Humphreys is a retired astrophysicist from Sandia Labs (ABQ, NM).

1 posted on 05/20/2014 9:28:21 AM PDT by fishtank
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I’m going to need to read the article again... it’s fairly long.


2 posted on 05/20/2014 9:35:58 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

It is obvious that Humphreys is trying very hard to create conflicts between Ross & ICR in these elements. Example, Mammals in day six are purposely put at the opening of day six to conflict with sequence 15. Methinks he protesteth too much. The elephant in the kitchen is whether the “day” of the Lord, in that “day”, cool of the “day” and “day” 1 always means 24 hours. After all, there are only about 3000 Hebrew words in the entire OT...many of them have to do double, triple, quadruple duty.


3 posted on 05/20/2014 9:43:42 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: fishtank

“In the beginning, there was nothing, and it exploded.”


5 posted on 05/20/2014 9:49:17 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: fishtank

My Bible says the first thing created is light.
I would refer you to: Age of the Universe
By Dr. Gerald Schroeder
http://aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Age_of_the_Universe.asp
You have assumed that God is in earth time and on earth for your 6 days. But the Bible does not say where God is until the end of the 6th day, when He creates Adam. This paper shows that at the source of the Big Bang the span of 6 24 hour days equals 16 million years on earth. The rapid expansion of the universe makes the difference. It really is amazing!


6 posted on 05/20/2014 9:49:50 AM PDT by impactplayer
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To: fishtank
One of the things I appreciate about Reasons to Believe is that they have a "Golden Rule of Debate": "Thou shalt understand thy opponent's position as well as thou wouldst have him understand yours."

Even a brief perusal of the article--heck, just looking at the chart--shows that CMI has not taken the time to really understand, let alone correctly present, RtB's creation model and their prooftexts (both Biblical and scientific). That is sadly the norm in YEC literature and debate. And that--plus learning more about the Hebrew of the Bible--is why I'm no longer even on the borders of the YEC camp.

Shalom

7 posted on 05/20/2014 9:53:18 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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maybe this is what that guy was referring to...


9 posted on 05/20/2014 9:59:13 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: fishtank
Waitaminute, I just realized who the author is. Humphries has a creation model of his own that a) requires universal expansion (so why he's arguing that point I have no idea), and b) unlike RtB's model, he refuses to submit to peer review. See here for more details.

Shalom

11 posted on 05/20/2014 10:01:05 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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12 posted on 05/20/2014 10:06:36 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: fishtank

Genesis 1:1 says, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”

The Big Bang says there was an abrupt beginning to the existence of the universe. This fits with Genesis 1:1. Between verse 1 and verse 2, there is no indication how much time elapsed between the creation of the universe/earth and when God began to do something with the earth. There is no indication how long the earth was “without form and void” before God began to do further creative acts with the earth.

Both the Bible and the initial Big Bang, demonstrate that the universe appeared out of nothing. This is in accordance with the Bible.


14 posted on 05/20/2014 10:08:36 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: fishtank

Actually what was going on five minutes before the big bang IS. Drives atheists nuts. Not supposed.to think about it.


16 posted on 05/20/2014 10:22:58 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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