Posted on 05/22/2014 10:45:22 AM PDT by Olog-hai
The Vatican’s Secretary of State made a dramatic revelation ahead of Pope Francis’s visit to Israel next Sunday and Monday, declaring that the pope will talk about the “Palestinian people’s right to have a homeland, sovereign and independent.”
Cardinal Pietro Parolin holds a role in the Vatican City State, located in the Italian capital of Rome, equivalent to that of a prime minister. …
When asked what the pope particularly intends to talk about during the visit, Parolin revealed he would talk about “on the one hand, Israel’s right to exist in peace and security within internationally recognized boundaries.” On the other side, the pope would talk about “the Palestinian people’s right to have a homeland, sovereign and independent, the right to move around freely, the right to live in dignity,” according to Parolin.
In fact, the Vatican recognized the “State of Palestine” in 2012 amid the United Nations (UN) vote to confer “Palestine” non-member observer state status, a status until then only held by the Vatican. …
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Not a problem.....thanx for the clarification.
And this is different from those who would prevent the Arab population in Palestine from forming their own state how?
There was nowhere near that number of Arabs in that area back in 1947. Arafat had outbreeding Israelis as one of his goals.
I am sorry if historical facts do not match your ideology. According to the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine report, by 1984 the population was 68% Arab and 32% Jewish (I will amend my comments to reflect this number). The 1920 League of Nations's Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine stated that of a population of 700,000 only 76,000 were Jewish. This should not come as a surprise. The Jewish population in Palestine was one of recent immigrants, not a continuing presence from ancient times.
Sounds like you are against Israel.
What I am against is treating either the Jewish or Arab populations as if they had lesser rights than the other. The Arabs are not going to go away. The right of Israel to exist cannot be based on denying the Arab population the same rights.
OK, you are an anti-Israel liberal and thanks for admitting it by acting like the UN has any legitimacy. The UN does not promulgate fact and never has. The UN was run by a Nazi from 1972 to 1981, during whose tenure Zionism (the very notion of having a Jewish state in Israel) was declared “racism”, and the version of UN that produced this “report” is no different but rather worse than those days.
According to the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine report …
the problem started because Islam is a bloodthirsty barbarous “religion”
Be real! Israel is preventing the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza from declaring themselves an independent state and have done so since 1967.
OK, you are an anti-Israel liberal and thanks for admitting it by acting like the UN has any legitimacy. The UN does not promulgate fact and never has.
The charge of racism or anti-Semitism is the last resort of someone without an argument.
The UN at the time of the UNSCOP was pro-Jewish. Remember, they APPROVED the recommendation of UNSCOP for partition.
Stop lying. Israel prevents nobody from forming their own state; they stop them from taking Israeli land as their own state.
What I stated about the UN is fact, incidentally.
I agree on your description of Islam but the problem started when the Romans expelled the Jews. After 2000 years the Jews wanted to return but there was already a local population that had replaced them. Israel needs to come to terms that this Arab population is permanent and needs to be treated with the same respect and rights that they demand for themselves.
There has never been a pro-Jewish UN. Another lie.
“This Arab population is permanent”—another lie. Majority of the Arabs came in to expel the Jews.
Even with the partition plan the Arabs were to have half the land. As for the West Bank and Gaza, under both International Law and Israeli Law this land is under military occupation and is not a part of Israel. If Israel wants it they should annex it. But then they would have to give citizenship to the Arab population. The local Arab population is in possession of the land. Israel needs to recognize this either as a separate nation or as citizens of a single nation. They have no right to the land without its population.
What I stated about the UN is fact, incidentally.
I will not argue with your characterization of the UN between 1972 and 1981 but this has no bearing on the nature of the UN in 1948 which APPROVED the recommendation for partition.
Then what was that international body in New York that approved the recommendation for the partition of Palestine and the creation of a Jewish state?
The one that included the USSR from day one, who was the initial force opposing Israel in that body?
I don’t know if you know what board you are on, but nobody here regards the UN as legitimate, never mind honest.
There was no continuous Jewish population in Palestine after their exile by the Romans. The Arabs pre-date the present Jewish population. Nor has there been an influx of Arabs since 1948. This has only happened with Jewish immigration.
It must be irritating but the Arab population of Palestine (I only use this as geographical term since Israel only refers to the modern state) is not going anywhere.
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False argument. Maybe you ought to study the history of the Crusades, too? or how about the 1948 war, when there was an influx of Arabs from Egypt and Arabia, not an uprising of extant Arabs? Were you aware that “pan-Arabism” was inspired by “pan-Germanism”?
“Palestine” is an illegitimate geographical term. It is Israel. The Arabs in the area were indeed going somewhere, namely back where they came from—that is until Carter convinced Israel to stop fighting for their rights.
The vote was 33 to 13 in favor. Btw, the Soviet Union at the time voted in favor. I do agree that latter they turned and opposed Israel.
I don’t know if you know what board you are on, but nobody here regards the UN as legitimate, never mind honest.
Neither do I. That does not take away the fact that the UNSCOP report is the most reliable one we have on the population in Palestine in 1948. Nor is it honest to project the latter anti-Israel bias to the time of the UNSCOP. It is illogical to claim that the very body that recommended the partition of Palestine and the formation of a Jewish state was at the time biased against it.
The UNSCOP plan was rejected by the Arabs. I think I already mentioned that.
Being the majority at the time, what moral imperative did they have to accept it. And how is this different than the Israelis present rejection of the full implementation of the Partition Plan by the formation of an Arab state in what remains of the territory that was assigned to them?
They wanted all the land and still do.
It is also clear that there are many (not all) both in Israel and here at FR that what all the land for the Jews.
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