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Tony Abbott aims for aircraft carriers (Australia)
The Australian ^ | MAY 23, 2014 | BRENDAN NICHOLSON

Posted on 05/22/2014 2:22:44 PM PDT by Dundee

TONY Abbott wants the navy’s new amphibious assault ships ­fitted out to carry Joint Strike Fighters — effectively turning the giant vessels into aircraft carriers.

The proposal, which would require comprehensive structural changes to the ships costing millions, comes at a time when the government is under pressure over budget cuts.

It would also require Australia to buy an alternative version of the fighter bombers already on order.

The Prime Minister’s proposal would bring Australia into line with the US, Britain and a number of other nations that plan to operate JSFs from their assault ships.

It is understood Mr ­Abbott has instructed planners working on his defence white paper to examine the possibility of putting a squadron of 12 of the short take-off and vertical landing version of the JSFs — the F-35B — on to the ships...

The 27,000-tonne assault ships, ...LHDs, were intended to carry helicopters rather than fixed-wing aircraft.

Operating JSFs from them would require extensive modifications to accommodate the aircraft and their fuel, munitions and parts.

The Royal Australian Navy has not had an aircraft carrier since HMAS Melbourne was decommissioned in 1982. Having landing ships carrying fixed-wing aircraft would bring a new strategic dimension to the region.

The ADF has said repeatedly that putting JSFs on to the landing ships was not being considered, but a government spokesman said the idea had not been ruled out...

The Canberra-class assault ships will be able to land a force of more than 2000 personnel by helicopter and water craft...

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 05/22/2014 2:22:44 PM PDT by Dundee
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To: Dundee

If they really wanted to go cheap they could refit a cargo ship with a flat top....


2 posted on 05/22/2014 2:24:28 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Dundee

Tony Abbott or Tony Stark?


3 posted on 05/22/2014 2:30:56 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: GeronL

Or a supertanker.


4 posted on 05/22/2014 2:33:02 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: wally_bert

Right!. That would give them ample room for reinforcing the deck and a lot of room for fuel.


5 posted on 05/22/2014 2:33:58 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

“If they really wanted to go cheap they could refit a cargo ship with a flat top....”

For a while the Pentagon had this wild notion that they’d buy commercial hardware and “militarize” it. I was heavily involved and it turned out to cost many times what it cost to just start with and design to military requirements. (It was another idiot idea brought to you by progressives.)

A cargo ship would not have the water-tight compartments, fire suppression and damage control you’d really need if it ever got hit. If it did get hit I’d imagine that many times the personnel would be killed than if the same hit were taken by a purpose built ship.

There are some places where you should never go cheap. Wherever you’ve put military personnel’s lives on the lines, that’s the spot right there. Some things are worth the expense.


6 posted on 05/22/2014 2:36:59 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Dundee; All
smart move; USN is being immaculate (by design),
despite the Real Naval personnel efforts.

7 posted on 05/22/2014 2:37:32 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Gen.Blather

and who would ever attack Australia? lol

/sarc


8 posted on 05/22/2014 2:38:03 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Dundee; GeronL

Aircraft carrier made of an ice mixture called Pykrete.

9 posted on 05/22/2014 2:39:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

wow, that is a big one too.

Looks like the Titanic and that iceberg had a baby!


10 posted on 05/22/2014 2:41:21 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Pykrete – Aircraft Carriers made of Wood & Ice (self-repairing)
http://tostevin.net/?p=2897


11 posted on 05/22/2014 2:43:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: GeronL

“and who would ever attack Australia? lol”

If you don’t want to be attacked, be so strong that any attack would be suicidal. BTW, Obama has shown the entire world that they all need nuclear weapons and delivery systems. You can bet that Japan, Taiwan and South Korea are either working on them or secretly already have them.


12 posted on 05/22/2014 2:43:40 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

true!


13 posted on 05/22/2014 2:45:00 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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14 posted on 05/22/2014 2:45:42 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: GeronL

We could sell them one of ours—we have several ready for the scrap heap—modernize them and will serve another decade.


15 posted on 05/22/2014 2:59:54 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another casualty of global warming?


16 posted on 05/22/2014 3:08:09 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Good idea


17 posted on 05/22/2014 3:26:33 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Dundee
Didn't Australia just save a bunch of $$ by dumping the whole climate initiative, or whatever it's called?

See, you guys are "green" You're recycling the $$ into something useful..carriers..

18 posted on 05/22/2014 3:59:04 PM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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