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To: KoRn

Depending on use they are also capturing data for every cell phone user in the area. Not just their intended target.

All without a warrant.


6 posted on 05/23/2014 11:06:14 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Of course, any real criminal with half a brain(of which there probably aren’t many), would NEVER use a device of any kind that could be associated with them personally. The police have to know this. All this is more ‘Big Brother’ BS by the ever expanding police state.

Before long, we won’t be able to take a piss in our homes without someone somewhere being able to find out about it. I’ve about had enough of this. Ironically, I work in IT - I guess it adds some perspective. As the years have gone by, I’ve become increasingly ‘unplugged’ in my personal life, because I KNOW the TERRIBLE potential this all has with a “free” society.


10 posted on 05/23/2014 11:28:34 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: driftdiver
I am thinking with the current rulings on trackers that, when under judicial scrutiny, warrantless use won't fly. The bad thing for this department will be that that their investigations will be thrown out. I have never understood the mentality within some agencies/departments where they push the boundaries like this. You risk everything you are working for, and the perp walks free.

Surveillance is the observation of public comings and goings of the target who legally doesn't have a right to privacy when in public. The placement of trackers on vehicles is supposed to "aid" the surveillance, not replace the need for manpower to conduct the surveillance. For several years the DOJ was allowing agents to slap trackers on anything they wanted, which then slimed it's way over to DHS. There was a vocal minority that opposed that as being illegal, but they kept doing it until a case finally made it to the SCOTUS. Now trackers require a warrant (as it should be.)

Personally, I think use of this Stingray device will be the same if not more restrictive. Assuming it can only pull location data from the phone it is a lot like a tracker. If it has the capability to pull more than that it should fall under the guidelines for wiretaps. That is a very high bar.

One thing I have seen a lot more these days is the immediate subpoenaing of cell data from a cell company during a man hunt. It is usually used by locals and I don't know whether they have to call a judge each time or if there is a standing policy in place. I was part of a manhunt for a child rapist and it worked well to get us in the ball park. The K-9 did the rest.

15 posted on 05/23/2014 12:48:38 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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