Why Not Separate Marriage and State? ZOT! And ZOT Again!

National Review ^ | 3/29/13 | John Fund

[wagglebee]

Exactly, were we to believe that the same people who made not going to church a crime would somehow not care about marriage?

[ansel12]

George Washington and Abraham Lincoln didn't need a .gov marriage license, neither should the rest of US.

Abraham Lincoln had a marriage license, George Washington paid for his favorite nephew's license, and Thomas Jefferson bought his own license.

[Cboldt]

-- I would never take the advice or accept the opinion of someone who has already thrown in the towel. --

Well, thanks for clearing the air. Saved me plenty of time.

[little jeremiah]

That's because the libertarians realize that they can't just come out in favor of their liberal agenda, so they try to sidetrack the issue with innumerable red herrings.

One main difference between regular leftists and libertarians is that regular leftists are upfront with their agenda, whereas libertarians are quite coy, and use many duplicitous methods to pretend that they really love the Constitution. The other main difference is they want to have guns and low taxes. Other than that, it's hardcore leftism veering into anarchy. Another utopian idiocy that if ever practiced, would create utter social breakdown and chaos in short order. Which would of course lead to the jack booted thuggism they hate.

It's comic book utopianism because anyone not doped out can see it for what it is. I'm sure not all libertarians use drugs, but enough do that it's sort of a herd immunity thing.

[trisham]

It made no sense to me.

[ansel12]

If someone wants to form a church that conforms to what they personally believe and conduct marriages, how does that affect anyone outside of whatever congregation they may have?

In the military, federal employment and immigration for example.

[roamer_1]

That was a simply spectacular post. Brava!

[Orangedog]

I never said you were conservatives were "wrong." Just that they do a lot of talk about how great that Constitution is. Except for Article 1, Section 8, the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendments. And then there is the smaller, less intrusive government advocacy...except for all of the big intrusive fedgov stuff they want that the above mentioned constitution prohibits.

What is most bizarre is that they don't even try to hide it. It's an us vs. them mindset.

This coming from someone with a tag line of "NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing." Yeah, nothing "us vs them" in that. Here is a word for you to look up: Projection.

[ansel12]

Churches and social groups?

Why do you guys always leave out the Mosques and gay churches, and the Mormon Temples, and cults, and atheists?

[Responsibility2nd]

You have always been the best troll shootingest zot-slinger in all of FRee Republic.

Our zots went down by double digits while you were away. Nice to have you back.

[trisham]

Well said, lj.

One of my sisters has decided recently that she is a libertarian, and that she dislikes conservatives. Oy. She also switched from being Catholic to some religion that she refuses to define. Sometimes being from a large family isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

[trisham]

You’re quite welcome.

[ansel12]

You know a lot of good points, that is an impressive list.

[Oliviaforever]

It would be a church with tax exempt status and the ability to marry gays.

[Axenolith]

It’s a common sense agenda. ANYTHING the government regulates is going to be torn down and bastardized to appease disparate voting blocks.

Unless you fear the government being out of the marriage license business and enacting civil unions is going to turn YOU queer, why would you give a crap about it? It’s going to come anyway barring a societal collapse that weeds out the droves of hedonistic parasites infesting the country.

Conservatives need to accept the fact that unless there is a huge sea change in American society (probably with a lot of crying and screaming) there are a LOT of issues that are just not going to get resolved in our favor. This is one of them that at least the God fearing can still structure themselves around correctly while the associated bureaucratic institution craters upon itself catering to spiritual meaninglessness.

[refermech]

But what would the lawyers do? Starve?

[Responsibility2nd]

You know what? I will never apologize for my tagline. It drives libs nutz? Good.

But for you to take a hostile attitude against conservatives is even more nutz.

[Axenolith]

Who gives a s***?!?! The only one they really have to answer to is God. He’ll know. Did he designate people down here to keep track of how people commit to unions amongst themselves?

Licentiousness has its own corrective medicine in misery, disease and dysfunction. Let it work...

[ansel12]

One main difference between regular leftists and libertarians is that regular leftists are upfront with their agenda, whereas libertarians are quite coy, and use many duplicitous methods to pretend that they really love the Constitution.

You may have noticed that outside of the religion pages, the most feverishly religious posters we see, are the libertarians on the gay marriage threads.

At some point they suddenly switched to libertarian arguments in the name of some greater spirituality and Christian commitment to God, a sort of 'greater truth' a more 'pure commitment' to the "long run" if you read libertarian articles you can see where these sudden switches in arguments and strategies come from.

[ansel12]

I don’t support marriage benefits that Obama bestowed on gay marriage in the military and at the federal level.

You want conservatives to stop politically opposing gay marriage?