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Federal effort could outlaw old ivory
Winston-Salem Journal ^
| May 29, 2014
| Terry Kovel/King Feature Syndicate
Posted on 06/07/2014 8:44:33 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: CIB-173RDABN
I assure you it is not satire.
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:19:53 AM PDT
by
lastchance
("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
To: gorush
(sorry) Don't be -- that's the first good laugh I've had all week.
To: CIB-173RDABN
This is a satire-filled time. If contrary to actual law it will probably get mowed down in court, but there’s more expense and trouble involved. It is another Obama distraction bomb.
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:29:56 AM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: Bratch
Remember how incensed the world was when Muslims dynamited the old Buddha statues (which nobody actually worshiped, even the Buddhists who built them).
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:31:22 AM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: VeniVidiVici
Anything that elevates the spirit is hated by these bullies!
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:32:16 AM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: Vanders9
Your observation must be from where you live. I live in the south and I see ivory jewelry all of the time. Usually it is in the form of family heirlooms, but once you know what to look for, it is easy to identify (striations on the cross grain). In fact, just recently I met a young lady who was wearing a beautiful elephant ivory necklace. When I commented on it, she did not know it was elephant ivory (she bought it at a yard sale). I showed her the striations and immediately that piece of "costume jewelry" became a prized possession.
I even see whale ivory from time to time (blotches of irregular color).
You just need to know what to look for.
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:34:48 AM PDT
by
fini
To: Gay State Conservative
Oh yeah????
Then you'll hear from OUR lawyers; Dewey, Cheatem and Howe!
To: HiTech RedNeck
If contrary to actual law it will probably get mowed down in court...
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:41:01 AM PDT
by
Bratch
To: Bratch
Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional.
-PJ
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:41:14 AM PDT
by
Political Junkie Too
(If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
To: Bratch
I THOUGHT I had heard that wild elephant herd protection measures had become good enough that the populations were now prevailing against the remaining poachers.
It would seem to me that radiocarbon dating could help identify the approximate age of a piece of ivory, if there is a serious question about its being antique or new. And I could see requiring new ivory to have certifications to its legitimacy, if poaching remained a serious problem.
But going head over heels for environmentalism seems to be a hallmark of our modern liberals.
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:43:14 AM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: Bratch
And a wild hair suddenly becomes the law of the land for every situation and every case?
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:44:14 AM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: Bratch
And those in favor of strong endangered species laws want to also insist that all confiscated antique carved ivory art be destroyed not even given to a museum. At their heart, Liberals can't stand that there is a single activity, hobby, or action that is not A. regulated and B. provides enjoyment. (
Just how is destroying a pre-War tea set with ivory handles going to improve the life of an elephant that has been dead for 100 years? Oh, and by the way, those ivory handled pistols carried by Gen. George Patton would have to be destroyed.
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:45:19 AM PDT
by
Flick Lives
("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
To: Gay State Conservative
Are you trying to be funny or are you really ignorant of Constitutional separation of powers?
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:48:05 AM PDT
by
G Larry
(Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
To: Bratch
“What difference, at this point, does it make?”
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:48:25 AM PDT
by
HotKat
(Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
To: Flick Lives
Weird jags that single out property, rather than evil acts, for opprobrium, are nothing new! FDR and gold anybody? Alcohol prohibition? Crazy gun bans?
It’s lazy and usually counterproductive to go down such roads.
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:49:44 AM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: HiTech RedNeck
Well, unless you can come up with a cheap, accurate, carbon-14 dating machine, its impossible to tell “new” ivory from old ivory. Ive seen a lot of “old” ivory WINK WINK sold in souvenir shops when on vacation. Needless to say, I didn’t buy any. I have very mixed feeling about such a law (NOTE: I SAID, LAW). Not what passes for a law these days.
The galling part of this, is that for Westerners, anyway, the value of ivory is not in the material, but the craftsmanship of the work that went into carving it. I believe that the Japanese came up with a material YEARS AGO that duplicates perfectly the carving and material properties of ivory (they did large aquatic mammal teeth for scrimshaw, too). There is no good reason for anyone to make anything whatsoever anymore out of the real materials, period.
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:53:41 AM PDT
by
The Antiyuppie
("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
To: Rusty0604
SWAT teams ready to enforce with no knock raids
Don't forget the 'flash bang grenades' and the deliberate killing of the family pet. Obama and his brown shirts.
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:57:15 AM PDT
by
Don Corleone
("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
To: The Antiyuppie
I’d envision some sort of lab that would take samples of the kind that could be scraped off a hidden area with a knife, if it had to be done.
If it’s part of an antique then it’s reasonable to presume it’s antique itself.
I learned piano on a piano that had actual ivories. There is something to be said for the touch. The porosity tends to absorb small amounts of moisture. Sweaty pianist fingers on a modern plastic keyed instrument can build up to a slippery, grimy problem.
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posted on
06/07/2014 9:58:54 AM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
To: Bratch
I guess that means my 84 year old mother in law is a criminal. I called her after I read this article- she has a large netsuke collection and an ivory bracelet. I think the value just went up on her collection. I will wear the bracelet when I inherit it. It will be my screw you to the government. This law is illegal, Obama does not have the power. And, who is it to say they could extend it to other items- like antique cars which do not meet emission standards, or to homes on the waterfront to save the fish,. etc.
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posted on
06/07/2014 10:04:04 AM PDT
by
kaila
To: HiTech RedNeck
If the any governmental entity in the US was required to pay fair value to the property owner for ANY taking of private property or private property rights...for the common good as it is usually described...it would happen far less and only for more important reasons.
DK
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