Posted on 06/10/2014 12:25:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Thanks for the link.
It seems that the Marines and the U.S. have lost a valuable and honorable asset. It needs to be noted that he wasn’t “fired” he resigned and retired. Because of, to me, a misguided sense of honor. He seems to believe that he violated the Marine code of honor. Maybe he did.
Sad. I’ll bet he is regretting his decision. It looks like to me his entire life was being a Marine.
I guess that’s one of the differences in being a Marine and being in one of the other Services.
Sir, he is an honorable and fine man! Please understand that he certainly Did Not simply choose to retire. His choices were retire or face, at the very minimum, Non-Judicial Punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
No E-9, Senior Staff Non-Commissioned Officer would escape punishment having been arrested by local authorities. This man serves as the Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Commanding General. His example is intolerable. I believe that he will still face some form of action under the UCMJ.
Recruit Depots are showcases for the Corps; none being more than Parris Island. No CG could allow this action to go unpunished since it would send a message to the Command that his actions are tolerable. That would be a very dangerous message to send Drill Instructors. Any form of infraction is vigorously prosecuted at Parris Island IOT convey a strong message of intolerance; highly necessary when training recruits.
Incorrect. The law and individual service codes allow for the uniform to be worn by all honorably and general discharged veterans on certain occasions such as funerals. All retirees may continue to wear. Officers retain all uniforms as they are their personal property.
Retired military members and certain honorably discharged veterans may wear the US Military uniform on certain occasions. This authority is authorized by Federal law (10 USC, 772). It allows certain veterans and retirees to wear the US Military uniform, as prescribed by the individual services.
In all cases, veterans and retirees can wear the rank and insignia currently in use, or the rank and insignia in use at the time of their discharge/retirement, but cannot mix the two.
The Navy Uniform Regulations prescribe the wear of the Navy uniform by Navy retirees and veterans.
Army Regulation 670-1 prescribes uniform wear by Army veterans and retirees.
The Marine Corps Uniform Regulation, MCO P1020.34G prescribes wear of the Marine Corps uniform by retirees and veterans.
In addition a veteran may be eligible to retain their title: 10 U.S.C. Sec. 772: When wearing by persons not on active duty authorized.
(e) A person not on active duty who served honorably in time of war in the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps may bear the title, and, when authorized by regulations prescribed by the President, wear the uniform, of the highest grade held by him during that war.
You can call me Lieutenant, USN ;) (I had to dig all this up for a funeral a few years back.)
The hat of Boy Scouts, Park Rangers, cops, Army Drill Sergeants, highway patrol, that are sold in every surplus clothing store where we buy our military clothing.
All vets including ex-marines wear bits and pieces of their old clothing.
Here is radio personality "Shotgun Tom Kelly" and his trademark Campaign hat that he wore earning his reputation not far from Camp Pendleton (where he probably did shows) and outside of the Navy and Marine base in San Diego where he also probably did shows.
Exactly. I view Murtha as a “former Marine”.
Whenever I see the Marines in reserve status, and they think they are out for good, I think of those Marines who had fought on the Pacific in WWII in hellish places like Peleliu and Iwo Jima and thought (logically) that they had fulfilled their duty, only to be called back again when the Korean War broke out.
I can’t imagine what it must have been like to fight at both Peleliu and Chosin in the same lifetime...
Anyway, good post!
I don’t know this man, but I draw my negative conclusions from the fact he aggressively confronted the man holding up that sign with the message it expressed.
That said, I can concede that some people can be caught up enough at any time in the small things, and they fail to see the bigger picture.
Could have been the case here.
I’m sorry I must disagree.
(a) Members of the Armed Forces (including retired members and members of reserve components). The wearing of the uniform is prohibited under any of the following circumstances:
(3) Except when authorized by competent Service authority, when participating in activities such as public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies or any public demonstrations (including those pertaining to civil rights), which may imply Service Sanction of the cause for which the demonstration or activity is conducted
b) Former members of the Armed Forces.
(1) Unless qualified under another provision of this part or under the provisions of 10 U.S.C. 772, former members who served honorably during a declared or undeclared war and whose most recent service was terminated under honorable conditions may wear the uniform in the highest grade held during such war service only upon the following occasions and in the course of travel incidents thereto:
(i) Military funerals, memorial services, weddings, and inaugurals.
(ii) Parades on national or State holidays; or other parades or ceremonies of a patriotic character in which any active or reserve U.S. military unit is taking part.
(2) Wearing of the uniform or any part thereof at any other time or for any other purpose is prohibited.
Sir, note that in the video, he did not mention the sign nor any particulars regarding the issues this man was protesting. His first comment was to clarify that he had discussed this issue, of the citizen wearing the campaign cover, previously and that he had told him not to wear it.
This was ONLY about a man consumed with an image of what He deems most important to the USMC. Only because that is what He values most; the entire Drill Instructor persona.
No one wears that article of uniform anywhere but on a Recruit Depot, Officer Candidate Instructor and at a Rifle Range. Therefore, many Drill Instructors start to believe its soooo important.
Funny, in 34 years and multiple combat tours, I never heard anyone, other than a Drill Instructor, discuss the importance or sanctity of the Campaign Cover. But just head down to Parris Island and you would think it’s the most valuable heirloom of the Corps.
It’s good that we place value on things like customs and tradition: But it’s better that we place value on the Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
“Except when authorized by comopetent service authority” The reading of the individual service regs allow it.
The Army regulation for veterans reads as follows:
Army Veterans. Instructions are listed in paragraph 30-4 of Army Regulation 670-1.
Former members of the Army may wear the uniform if they served honorably during a declared or undeclared war, and if their most recent service was terminated under honorable conditions (that means an honorable or general discharge). Personnel who qualify under these conditions will wear the Army uniform in the highest grade they held during such war service.
The uniform is authorized for wear only for the following ceremonial occasions, and when traveling to and from the ceremony or function. Uniforms for these occasions are restricted to service and dress uniforms; the BDU and physical fitness uniforms will not be worn.
(1) When attending military funerals, memorial services, weddings, inaugurals, and other occasions of ceremony.
(2) When attending parades on national or state holidays, or other patriotic parades or ceremonies in which any active or reserve United States military unit is taking part.
Former Soldiers who are discharged honorably or under honorable conditions from the Army (even if it’s not during wartime service) may wear their uniform while going from the place of discharge to their home of record, within three months after discharge.
Wear of the Army uniform at any other time, or for any other purpose than stated above, is prohibited.
see post above.
What we are talking about is Marine CAMPAIGN (SERVICE) HAT.
What Army regs have to say have no bearing here.
The hat is authorized for wear by the following personnel only:
a. At Recruit Depots/recruit rifle ranges when approved by the Commanding Generals.
(1) Assigned male and female drill instructors
(2) Sergeants major, recruit training regiments
(3) Recruit company first sergeants
(4) Primary marksmanship instructors conducting recruit marksmanship training
(5) Chief marksmanship instructors
(6) Line NCO’s and coaches
(7) Range officers (MOS 9925)
b. Drill instructors at Naval Aviation Officer Candidate School
c. Range officers (MOS 9925) at Marine Corps Combat Development Command, Quantico.
d. Members of the USMC rifle and pistol teams (Regular/Reserve) funded by HQMC.
MCO P1020.34F
Understanding the Marine Corps has very high standards of personal and professional conduct for its most senior leaders, Sgt. Maj. Archie voluntarily stepped down as the depot sergeant major, and the commanding general regrettably accepted his retirement.
Now this may not mean what it states, but it sounds like he left the Corp to me. It doesn't state "resignation from his position".
At any rate, thanks for the response.
What this guy did was a spur of the moment idiotic thing. It wasn’t a long term abuse of executive authority qualifying in some instances as illegal or even treasonous.
Or, as I learned by experience, a White Obama worshiper. And this one claimed to be a Baptist.
I agree completely, and...thanks for your service!
I was referring to your blanket statement that once your out your only allowed to wear it home.
I get the opinion on the hat thing - not sure if he’s still active, in which case he’s not allowed to wear it that way -but if he’s out, a civy wants to wear a hat he can wear a hat. Any darned kinda hat he wants.
Thanks for the clarification.
I missed the "retirement".
Well, the bright side is that the Sgt Major will not have to deal with all the transvestites that Hagel wants to send to Parris Island.
No problem, and I agree with your comments regarding Hagel.
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