[familyop]

"Men were no more nor less corrupt in 1787 than they are now."

That argument has been a popular one with socialists for about 40 years, and it's not true. The leaders (and men) of America then were far more moral then than the leadership of contemporary America. In fact, their fathers and grandfathers came to this country specifically to get away from European immorality.

[Jacquerie]

Spare me your gibberish and silly insults.

From the beginning in 1776, the Framing generation experienced overly democratic state governments . The states relied on public virtue more than governmental structure to secure rights. Bad idea.

It didn't work well at all. For one, property was not secure. Personally moral men passed immoral laws that favored debtors and screwed creditors.

Poor state governments that abused revolutionary tenets are the reason the states called for a convention in 1787.

Learning from experience, our Framers took account of man's fallen nature and designed a government that beautifully divided power and secured rights.

The fact that men and women met yesterday and will meet today to deal with a horribly corrupted system is proof there are still freedom loving citizens among us.