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1 posted on 06/14/2014 2:02:27 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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17th Amendment Ping!

Freepmail me to join or jump.

2 posted on 06/14/2014 2:04:04 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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From Article V

...and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

One might argue that those states not ratifying the 17th amendment are exempt from it.

3 posted on 06/14/2014 2:21:48 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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agree with all this article. the 17th is the source of all our troubles and this huge government

under the guidance of Democrat president woodrow Wilson the 17th amendment was ratified in 1913

7 posted on 06/14/2014 2:33:57 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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I agree with the author that the 17th amendment is the issue that has caused the downfall of the Republic.

However, the author failed to address that the states had to ratify the amendment for it to be put in force. The states did themselves in.

Repealing the 17th amendment would go a long way to bringing America back to a Federal Republic.


9 posted on 06/14/2014 3:07:29 AM PDT by enotheisen (CMSGT USAF Ret)
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Get rid of automatic tax withholding too. Make people write a check and move tax day to Oct 31, right before the election.


13 posted on 06/14/2014 4:15:34 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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Who were/are the politicians responsible the this "fundamental transformation" to take more, to solidify power to the leviathan that is FEDGOV? Deceivers, liars, thieves, criminals, socialists, elites, totalitarians.

IDENTIFY them. Understand their tactics. DEPOPULATE them from the body politic.

But when the law, by means of its necessary agent, force, imposes upon men a regulation of labor, a method or a subject of education, a religious faith or creed — then the law is no longer negative; it acts positively upon people. It substitutes the will of the legislator for their own wills; the initiative of the legislator for their own initiatives. When this happens, the people no longer need to discuss, to compare, to plan ahead; the law does all this for them. Intelligence becomes a useless prop for the people; they cease to be men; they lose their personality, their liberty, their property. - The Law; Bastiat

The author of The Spirit of Laws has shown by what art the legislator should direct his institutions toward each of these objectives.... But suppose that the legislator mistakes his proper objective, and acts on a principle different from that indicated by the nature of things? Suppose that the selected principle sometimes creates slavery, and sometimes liberty; sometimes wealth, and sometimes population; sometimes peace, and sometimes conquest? This confusion of objective will slowly enfeeble the law and impair the constitution.- The Law; Bastiat

When a politician views society from the seclusion of his office, he is struck by the spectacle of the inequality that he sees. He deplores the deprivations which are the lot of so many of our brothers, deprivations which appear to be even sadder when contrasted with luxury and wealth.

Perhaps the politician should ask himself whether this state of affairs has not been caused by old conquests and lootings, and by more recent legal plunder. Perhaps he should consider this proposition: Since all persons seek well-being and perfection, would not a condition of justice be sufficient to cause the greatest efforts toward progress, and the greatest possible equality that is compatible with individual responsibility? Would not this be in accord with the concept of individual responsibility which God has willed in order that mankind may have the choice between vice and virtue, and the resulting punishment and reward?

But the politician never gives this a thought. His mind turns to organizations, combinations, and arrangements — legal or apparently legal. He attempts to remedy the evil by increasing and perpetuating the very thing that caused the evil in the first place: legal plunder. We have seen that justice is a negative concept. Is there even one of these positive legal actions that does not contain the principle of plunder? -The Law; Bastiat

Here I encounter the most popular fallacy of our times. It is not considered sufficient that the law should be just; it must be philanthropic. Nor is it sufficient that the law should guarantee to every citizen the free and inoffensive use of his faculties for physical, intellectual, and moral self-improvement. Instead, it is demanded that the law should directly extend welfare, education, and morality throughout the nation.-The Law; Bastiat

This is the seductive lure of socialism. And I repeat again: These two uses of the law are in direct contradiction to each other. We must choose between them. A citizen cannot at the same time be free and not free.- The Law; Bastiat

Above all, if you wish to be strong, begin by rooting out every particle of socialism that may have crept into your legislation.-The Law; Bastiat

Repeal the 17th. DISMANTLE their collectives.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States

15 posted on 06/14/2014 5:06:51 AM PDT by PGalt
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While the analyses is most astuit = and most likely correct, the solution is a political problem we are unlikely to solve.

We must convince our people of this case before moving upon it. I don’t see how that can be done within so sort a time with in the present mob rule that is tearing upon our union, our culture, our economy, and ultimately our civilization.

We have in the political world today people so uncivilized that they viciously attack and ostracize people simply for holding views long felt acceptable and decent and demanded by their religious believe.

That is not the foundation for civil order and peace, that is the foundation for Civil War. As the very foundation of our faith is tested we cannot fold, and as the very foundation of the radical and culturally intolerant ideology wages war upon our existences we cannot for theses many years they have left have peace.

We can only take solid in the fact that ultimately our enemy cannot sustain themselves except by conversion of the faithful. IF we and our kin remain committed to biblical teaching they who no longer embrace having kids at all will die out. But it will likely take many generations.

The only alternative for both this problem and the problem of the basic structural problem of our no longer Constitutional Government is a cultural renisants brought forth by this revilation.

Even as weak as we are, if we remain resolute and committed to the Teaching of God, unwavering in our commitment to liberty. the Nieves people will see the ciaos of their ways and slowly come to join us for the stability and true love life needs.


24 posted on 06/14/2014 5:51:18 AM PDT by Monorprise
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Great article Jacquerie! Thank you for including me and please keep me on your ping list. Keep up the good work. I do hope that we can successfully repeal both the 16th & 17th amendments.


64 posted on 06/17/2014 3:42:50 AM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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