[Thorliveshere]

Obama promised it... and he's getting what he wants. I can't but help think that Bush is a part of the plot since he started the DHS, or am I being too paranoid? Is it a case of good intention that was taken over and perverted? Did DHS REALLY need to exist in the first place?

[Count of Monte Fisto]

I'm being too paranoid?

The question is are you paranoid ENOUGH? And just because you are paranoid does not mean no one is out do get you.

Seriously, though, the men that created the DHS knew exactly what they were doing. For Gods sake, they brought in Markus Wolfe, the former head of the East German STASI, to help design the damn thing.

[cherry]

people have got to start drawing lines where bad ideas turn into monstrous ones....Bush may have thought a DHS was a good idea....bammey has made it into a total dictatorial Nazi organization....