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Why even some monarchists aren't pleased about Spain's new king
Christian Science Monitor ^ | JUNE 17, 2014 | Andrés Cala

Posted on 06/17/2014 5:41:37 PM PDT by annalex

Why even some monarchists aren't pleased about Spain's new king

By Andrés Cala, Correspondent JUNE 17, 2014

The Spanish Senate approved legislation today that enables Prince Felipe's ascension to the throne. But many in Spain hold mixed feelings about the monarchy and its future.

MADRID — The coronation of Spain's soon-to-be King Felipe VI is now all but assured, after the Spanish Senate today approved legislation to enable his father's abdication.

But despite the surety of his future crowning, Prince Felipe is getting a lukewarm welcome from many Spaniards – even some who support him and his father, the abdicating King Juan Carlos – who hold mixed feelings about the monarchy and its future in Spanish society.

Politically, the prince's coronation is certain. Since Juan Carlos announced his surprise abdication on June 2, Spain's mainstream parties have solidly backed the ongoing political and institutional preparations for Felipe's direct succession.

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The monarchy was abolished in 1931 after republican parties swept to power. But the new republic was short-lived, ending in 1939 after the government was defeated by Gen. Francisco Franco’s fascist forces in the Spanish Civil War. Before his death in 1975, General Franco reinstated the monarchy to succeed him, with Juan Carlos wearing the crown.

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The problem with the Spanish crown is its questionable legitimacy. For an introduction into Carlism see here.

I can also recommend this longish article: Dios, Patria, Fueros, y Rey: The Story Of The Spanish Carlistas.

I think, the thought has to be entertained, if not adopted unreservedly, that the choice of Juan Carlos was one severe political mistake of Generalissimo Franco. Let us hope that the new monarch will chart a more conservative course than his father.


1 posted on 06/17/2014 5:41:37 PM PDT by annalex
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To: A.A. Cunningham; andyk; AlexW; BatGuano; bayliving; Belteshazzar; bert; Bibman; Bigg Red; ...

If you want to be on this right wing, monarchy, paleolibertarianism and nationalism ping list, but are not, please let me know. If you are on it and want to be off, also let me know. This ping list is not used for Catholic-Protestant debates; all confessions are welcome.


2 posted on 06/17/2014 5:42:37 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Maybe this guy could stage a comeback -- if he's feeling up to it.

3 posted on 06/17/2014 5:45:34 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: annalex

The king had no choice but to transition the country to a constitutional monarchy.

It was apparent Franco’s dictatorship and his legacy would not survive his demise.

Absolute monarchies are rare in the modern world.


4 posted on 06/17/2014 5:47:48 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I think, it is possible that Europe will see the military forming governments of national salvation within the present generation in some countries.


5 posted on 06/17/2014 5:54:35 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

I think General Franco still dead LOL!


6 posted on 06/17/2014 5:56:26 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: goldstategop
Absolute monarchies

Carlism is opposed to absolute monarchy as well. Generally, the idea of a monarch as some kind of do-as-I-please semi-deity is an empty caricature. Whether there is a written constitution or not, a monarch has a strong obligation to his nation that he is supposed to uphold.

7 posted on 06/17/2014 6:00:05 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It's good to be the King!

8 posted on 06/17/2014 6:59:36 PM PDT by Defiant (Obama is not the anti-Christ. He is Satan's John the Baptist, preparing the way.)
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To: annalex

I would like to be on your ping lists please


9 posted on 06/17/2014 7:03:41 PM PDT by The Californian (The door to the room of success swings on the hinges of opposition. Bob Jones, Sr.)
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To: annalex

If you haven’t already, check out “The Last Crusade”; it isn’t a long read, and it details the war very well.

Because Franco was reliant on Carlist militias to hold parts of the north of Spain (he was driving up from the south), he held out hope to them that their candidate for the throne might be considered after the war. He was the last of four generals to join the revolt, and ended up as leader by default.

I don’t believe anyone can read this book without gaining a new insight into our political situation today.

N


10 posted on 06/18/2014 4:03:49 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: annalex

“Carlism is opposed to absolute monarchy as well. Generally, the idea of a monarch as some kind of do-as-I-please semi-deity is an empty caricature. Whether there is a written constitution or not, a monarch has a strong obligation to his nation that he is supposed to uphold.”

By the time the king abdicated in 1931, there was no more absolute monarchy. In fact, the king had been ruling from behind a military government (as Italy’s king did until the end of WWII - while Mussolini was in power Italy still had a king on the throne with his face on the money).


11 posted on 06/18/2014 4:05:41 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: goldstategop

The historical record, the intent if you will, of the 20th century was to rid Europe and the world of ruling monarchs. The age of kings was over.

Here then comes Spain for reasons not well stated, attempting to reverse the trend, the tide

Futility


12 posted on 06/18/2014 4:17:59 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: The Californian

Sure, thanks.


13 posted on 06/18/2014 4:44:33 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: kearnyirish2
check out “The Last Crusade”

Why be satisfied with leftist propaganda on the Spanish Civil War? Carroll's treatment of the events of 1936 is singular in Anglo-American scholarship for seeing the conflict for what is truly was: a death struggle against the Christian faith and a war against Christian civilization in Europe. This outstanding work of scholarship illustrates the phenomenon of the traditionalist as revisionist: the distortions of decades of Marxist historiography are overturned in Carroll's narration of the bloody struggle to preserve Western civilization in the heart of 20th century Europe.

Amazon

Thank you; I will.

the king had been ruling from behind a military government

But that is the classic model, is it not? The monarch is never absolute and relies on the cooperation of either clergy or military or both,-- the class of idealistic and unpropertied people in each case, -- to advocate for the national ideas. The class of people the king would typically oppose are the moneybags and the politicians.

14 posted on 06/18/2014 4:52:49 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: bert; goldstategop
the intent if you will, of the 20th century was to rid Europe and the world of ruling monarchs

Right. Hence by the 21 century we have two devastating wars, the half-century loss of normal human development in East-Central Europe, a rule by unelected bureaucrats everywhere, a massive loss of Christian faith, a creeping Muslim invasion and the economies teetering on the verge of collapse. Nice work.

15 posted on 06/18/2014 4:57:04 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

“But that is the classic model, is it not?”

Not really; usually a king would rule with the support of the army, but in the cases of Italy (with Mussolini) and Spain (with Primavera), the army ruled with the support of the kings (in both cases, to prevent communist takeovers).


16 posted on 06/18/2014 2:27:55 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Well, yes, in war time and during its aftermath, naturally, the military step up more. But also, I think, they got a wrong king: weak of character, born to seek consensus when firmness was the best strategy.


17 posted on 06/18/2014 5:22:05 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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