***They do. They just use a phrase you don’t like. They say ‘we don’t know’. ***
I love the phrase “I don’t know”. What I don’t like is the phrase “I don’t know but I know you are wrong”.
***There is an another option (maybe #5 in your eyes but which I think is merely a tweak to your #4), it goes like this...
...that matter and energy were created by a process that we as yet, do not understand.***
Now if I had said something like that you would accuse me of using the “God of the gaps” fallacy, right?
Let me expand on that for you: “...that matter and energy were created by a process that we as yet, do not understand but that would have to violate natural law.”
***Here we go again. Science doesn’t have the tools to detect the supernatural. However much you want science to find the keys in the kitchen, until you explain HOW they can do so, you’ll never be successful. Can you do it? ***
Natufian, I’m merely suggesting that you look elsewhere. I’m not suggesting that you use science to look elsewhere.
The Bible is a historically accurate document that makes a lot of claims and it is filled with a lot of prophesy that has been fulfilled, including the regathering of Israel, which occurred less than 70 years ago (and about 3000 years after the prophesy was written). The bible predicted this event... nothing like it had ever happened before or since.
I will suggest to you that by studying the bible and looking into those claims you just might find the Creator.
***Thanks for the offer but unless you can use science to reveal this creator, I’ll take a pass.***
Understanding science has led a lot of people to the Creator. When you look at the intricacy of the cell, the awesome morphology displayed in the animal kingdom, the wonderful symmetry that exists in the universe that makes life even possible at all here on earth...
Creator God makes a lot more sense than a bunch of chemicals (where did they come from) in a mud puddle (where did it come from) billions of years ago..... if you’re honest with yourself, deep down inside you know there is a creator.
Ignore Him at your peril.... the Bible says He was here and He is coming back.
Blessings to you, Natufian.
I agree with you. Science only uses the the lovely bit. Some scientists might use the not so lovely bit but they'd be wrong (scientifically speaking).
"Now if I had said something like that you would accuse me of using the “God of the gaps” fallacy, right?"
Certainly not. You might need to do some more work on the god of the gaps argument.
"Let me expand on that for you: “...that matter and energy were created by a process that we as yet, do not understand but that would have to violate natural law.”
Well if we're going to extend it, let's keep going.... “...that matter and energy were created by a process that we as yet, do not understand but that might require new scientific evidence that would require us to revisit our current understanding of the universe.”
Are you ok with that? Or do you still insist on inserting the supernatural into it.
The Bible is a historically accurate document that makes a lot of claims and it is filled with a lot of prophesy that has been fulfilled,.....
It also claims that in about 2,300BC there were only 8 people on the planet and only one language. The evidence would strongly suggest that it is incorrect.
"Understanding science has led a lot of people to the Creator. When you look at the intricacy of the cell, the awesome morphology displayed in the animal kingdom, the wonderful symmetry that exists in the universe that makes life even possible at all here on earth...Creator God makes a lot more sense than a bunch of chemicals (where did they come from) in a mud puddle (where did it come from) billions of years ago..... if you’re honest with yourself, deep down inside you know there is a creator."
I couldn't agree more that the universe at both a micro and macro level is stupefyingly wonderful place and I'm incredibly thankful that science has given me at least a partial understanding of how it works. As for the parts that are still hidden, I'm more than happy to wait for science to reveal more of it's secrets. There will be things that I will never know and that's just too bad.
Shalom Aleychem, Shaef.