Posted on 06/25/2014 7:35:18 PM PDT by xzins
One of the most scathing parts of Paul’s description of the Roman society is that not only did the people do all kinds of evil things but they ALSO APPROVE OF THOSE WHO PRACTICE THEM. It’s one thing to fall, be forgiven, and start afresh with God’s grace. It’s another thing altogether to boast of evil as though it was good, and to approve of those who do evil.
The one letter to the editor that I’ve written in the last 4 or so years pointed out that Mitt Romney forced Catholic hospitals to give abortifacients which they believe to be murder.
In the end I plugged my nose and voted for Romney in the general after voting against him in the primary. It was a very tough decision because there is so much about Romney that was wrong. I did believe that the unjust deaths under Obama would be more than those under Romney, and for the sake of the people whose lives could be preserved with somebody other than Obama in the White House, I plugged my nose. I cannot bring myself to listen to the “pro-lifers” (such as the National Right to Life) who endorsed Romney as pro-life in the primary. They had a different choice they could have made that could have kept BOTH Obama and Romney, the abortion-pushers, out of office, but for the sake of money they chose to support evil when there was a good choice that could have been made.
I understand why some people’s consciences told them not to pull the lever for Romney even if it meant that Obama would be able to kill even more people with his policies. Like I said, it was a very tough choice to make. It probably sounds mushy, but in the end I think what God looks on is the heart - why a person did what they did when either choice would result in innocent deaths. I could argue either side and go back and forth in my own mind over what is better.
Either way, I’m still going to point out the murder of abortion, the robbery of redistribution of wealth, the lawlessness, etc. I have to fight those things, even if I vote for somebody who gets at least some of it wrong. Through all of life, even when we keep a friendship through thick and thin, we’re still fighting the sin and garbage in our friend just as we’re fighting it in ourselves. We don’t tolerate the sin, even when we love and bear with the friend. And the same thing holds true for political alliances. No politician is perfect, and to believe in anybody is to believe in somebody who sometimes gets it wrong. We can still make political choices based on who gets the most important things right, and then work with them to try to bring them around on the other things. I guess it’s sort of like marriage that way too.
Sorry to be so long.
I have come to understand more why people did. But going forward, with all that has happened and all we learned since, I do not see how anyone can.
But as you said, there is a hell of a difference between voting ones conscience and actively pushing for it then and especially pushing for more like it now.
Pushing for evil is evil. I long for the times when such a radical notion wasn’t radical at all.
I have to admit, I’m guilty of drive-by posting— commenting without being sufficiently knowledgeable about the subject.
Is anybody in the GOPe going to distance themselves from this tactic? They don’t all agree on this, do they? (looking for some hope here, is all.)
Just to be clear, I also consider abortion to be murder. What Romney did was worse than just believing that abortion is OK. What he did was to force people to violate their own religious belief - force them to participate in murder. “Coerced abortion”, I called it in my letter to the editor. Romney personally coerced Catholic doctors and nurses into abortion.
Disgusting. I compared it to Hitler forcing German people to bury alive some of the victims from the concentration camps. Evil. Pure evil.
It was a VERY tough choice to vote against Obama through a man who would do such a thing. Maybe it was wrong of me. I don’t know. But I despise what he did, which is the same thing Obama is trying to do to the whole country now. I really hope the Supreme Court gets this right.
“The right should be actively working to disenfranchise the parasite class and be up front about it...
Class warfare needs to be a two way street. “
Precisely. I have been saying this for years. The parasites need to be called at and mocked relentlessly. In a full-fledged war between the productive makers (upper, upper-middle, and middle classes) and the parasitic takers(middle-low and low classes), these leeches will have no chance. These parasites only survive because the makers are too afraid.
They ALL had an inside view that it was going on before the election. Just remember that and your answer is, unfortunately for us all, self evident.
And like so many things lately, they stood silent and let it happen.
All we can each do is what we believe to be right going forward. We see the result of lesser evil. It does not work and makes things worse.
Fear got Mitt a lot of votes he would have never got without it. People were intentionally manipulated. They WILL do it again. But we cannot. We make it worse still if we do.
To be honest, I’m beginning to think there’s nobody worth voting for. The system itself takes whatever “Play Dough” we send them and shapes it into a golden calf, or a Gollum. It’s the system itself that we need to fix. But I don’t know how to do it and fear that America has become Sodom and Gomorrah - so depraved that the men even try to rape angels that come to its gates. I fear that the majority of Americans are being given over to the hardness of their hearts and to depravity, just like the Romans. And America will fall from within just like Rome did.
I am sure it will collapse. I believe it completely. But I won’t let it without a fight, little though my contribution may be.
What we rebuild from it is what will matter really. Because odds are not good that there will be a miracle to stop what we did to ourselves overall.
For such a time as this http://www.patburt.com/
Our country is in nose dive position . . .no more slippery slope. God could give our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ the go ahead to meet the saints in the air any time! Are you ready? What about family and friends?
Norm! Give this guy a break! You have had him all tangled up in the ropes for miles of this thread now, posing your simple question.
Obviously he is trapped with his damndable vote for Romney (the template in Mass. for Obama, on abortion, gay marriage, Romneycare and denial of religious liberty), and is left trying to justify it with a sermon.
Libs can’t debate, they have to preach it, or call names, but this self righteous introspection of your soul is a first that I’ve ever seen, all because he can’t cough up an answer to a question.
It’s getting crazy out there for these pretentious “lesser evil” voters propping up evil agendas and lecturing the rest of us who don’t.
Rita
Go look that term up.
And how do you know who I voted for in 2012? You are full of presumption as well.
I am going to give you an answer you will not like.
Is abortion a lesser evil?
Yes.
ANY sin is a lesser evil than that of rejecting Christ.
HiTech has an extreme personality conflict with me that pops up from time to time. A few days back it was over the effect of nuclear explosions.
The sermon thing is his go to ‘I am not making progress’ tactic which was explained to me by another Freeper some time back after my first HT encounter. I have taken to collecting the ‘damning of my soul to hell’ instances like Pokemon at this point (Gotta catch’em all!). Every argument devolves into my belief in God and how I will burn mightily. All of course with poetic flair.
I think, like the old joke, when I die, St. Peter will tell me and my fellow new arrivals to be quiet going by Room 16. When someone asks him why he’ll say “Thats HiTeck Redneck’s room. He thinks he’s alone here.”
Bookmarked.
You of course are ludicrously wrong.
Sorry, Red, but you are an open book. Nite, nite.
How about soulmarking it?
We have a lost President, a largely lost Congress, a partly lost Court.
And it shows!
You folks who are so PROUD of keeping your “BELIEFS PRIVATE” ought to look at what you are egging on.
Nope, I don’t agree to your assumptions.
Sorry, not interested in talking to christians (yyea...) that think abortion is a lesser evil and say it in public.
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