Posted on 06/30/2014 12:06:10 PM PDT by wagglebee
These people are evil.
Allowing for the possibility that he might well have died anyway, even with the best available Soviet healthcare ... I agree.
My point was that this is the way "ruling elites" treat each other, in the state of nature.
I do not remember everything about that time. But, I do remember receiving a call to get there to say “good-bye”. This was at the 2nd hospital, before the VA. I rushed there and ran into ICU. The nurse had no idea why the doctor had told me that. I signed a form that day stating he was never to be in his room again.
I still will not sign a DNR and neither will my husband.
Thank you, we are doing well and intend to for many years. The VA really does take great care of him.
You are correct.
I’ve watched it go both ways. When the time has come I believe those who suffer the most are those who we try and do the most for in an attempt to avoid what cannot be avoided.
So long as they will eat or drink when you spoon some porridge in or put some water to their lips, or drop some ice chips in their mouth, we should continue to offer them nourishment. But when the body has decided to no longer even do that.... sad as it is.... we must respect what has been appointed if thats what has been chosen.
They were scared that if they did do something to help him and he lived they would be accused to trying to kill him.
Personally I have always liked the idea that Tito had him assassinated. The irony appeals.
bfl
I remember a doctor (IIRC a noted rabbi as well, but I’m
not 100% certain) saying “DNR” DOES NOT MEAN “DO NOT TREAT”
If it wasn’t he, it was another at the same conference.
I like the straightforwardness of “died from hard living.”
DNR's are ORDERS to Do Not Resuscitate...PERIOD. Has nothing to do with normal care, antibiotics, fluids, food, care, surgery, tests, etc..etc...
I'm sorry you have been misinformed...but I understand it.
He had to be intubated and other things.
Take good care..!!
“DNR’s are ORDERS to Do Not Resuscitate...PERIOD. Has nothing to do with normal care, antibiotics, fluids, food, care, surgery, tests, etc..etc... ..”
It used to be that way, but a nurse in our family advised another family member not to permit DNR for her dad, because some hospitals take it as any excuse not to give other treatments.
That’s baloney................
No, it’s not. She’s a nurse who USED to be pro-DNR directives, and she’s not the first one I heard this from.
Well...I’m telling you it’s not SOP. I’ve worked and continue to work in the HealthCare field...and a DNR does NOT mean we withhold ANYTHING but ACLS/CPR.... Period.
Glad it’s not happening where you work, but advocates should be wary for the sake of their loved ones.
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