[cripplecreek]

except they are for open borders

Most that I know oppose open borders because of the cost and the fact that illegals are growing government. It was a libertarian who gave me the phrase "Illegals are government growth hormone".

[ansel12]

“Most that I know”.

Yet the actual libertarian position is open borders and we know why, all they care about are money issues and promoting some fantasy that social liberalism and open borders lead to right wing voters who will fight for smaller government, and that the way to defend America is to lose the ability to defend it.